Clark Kent says Biggie's dead because 2pac lied

[spliz]

Ok so did Big or did NOT Big warn Pac about Haitian Jack and them nikkas before he started messing with them? Did or did NOT Big attempt to visit Pac in the hospital AFTER the shooting to check on him. Did or did NOT Big explain to Pac in PERSON that Who Shot Ya wasn’t directed towards him and Pac ran with it anyway? Did or did NOT pro black, pro brotherhood 2Pac attempt to slander Dr Dre’s name and publicly emasculate him all for the crime of Dre not wanting to be fukked out of his Masters/Publishing by Suge and leaving Death Row? Did or did NOT Pro-Black, Pro Brotherhood Pac, whose father, mother, and stepfather had all been imprisoned under dubious circumstances, have issues with Snoop for the unforgivable crime of trying to fall back off that gangsta shyt after beating the feds? Did or did NOT Pac chase down Orlando Anderson and stomp him senseless in PUBLIC when it wasn’t necessary?

No. Biggie did NOT warn Pac about Haitian Jack before he started messing with them. He warned him after he already STOPPED messing with them. Pac also took a gun charge for Biggie with the guns in the hotel room. Pac didn’t know if Biggie attempted to meet him at the hospital because he was unconscious. Pac DID call Biggie a bunch of times and Biggie dodged his calls. Biggie NEVER had a face to face conversation with Pac after he got shot. Pac actually wanted one but Puff allegedly blocked it. Pac shytted in Dre for how Dre did SNOOP during the trial. Pac was there for Snoop everyday and Dre refused. Dre and Snoop didn’t even get cool with eachother again until 1999 with the No Limit Topp Dogg album. And then Snoop was on 2001. Which is why the Still DRE single was such a big deal. He had issues with Snoop because Snoop was playing both sides. Snoop was running around dissing Biggie and then gonna get in Biggie face on the radio and say he love them. AFTER Biggie got his trailer shot up. Snoop was being sneaky and he was jealous of Pac. Everyone who was at Death Row at the time said the same shyt. Snoop was jealous of Pac. Even Daz baby moms said it. Like I said before. U seem like u ain’t been researching this subject too long and formed hard opinions on it. This is something I been researching since the 90s right after Pac died. It’s a million lies floating around about this shyt. And u see how u feeling the way u feel? THIS is the issue with people lying while the person isn’t here to defend themselves. An even headed person like u caught up in the bullshyt propaganda.

 

[spliz]

Right and everything @Ziggiy said can be applied to Nasir also.

Yup. Since we believing any and all accusations. Did Nas beat the shyt out of Kelis? Is Nas not pro black because he gave Gweneth Paltrow an N word pass and threatened to slap other black men for her? At damn near 40 years old? Pac was gone by 25. What would we be able to say about Nas and his actions if he god forbid passed away at that age.

 

[Billy Ocean]

You could say the same thing about Nas to a lesser extent, talking black power and empowerment in one verse, then the next song talking about how many guns, shootouts hes been in, even on his 2nd to last album, he said he would rather go out in a blazing shootout than not be able to go to his hood again. This was the dichotomy that a lot of young pro black rappers faced at the time.

Right and everything @Ziggiy said can be applied to Nasir also.

 

[Ziggiy]

You could say the same thing about Nas to a lesser extent, talking black power and empowerment in one verse, then the next song talking about how many guns, shootouts hes been in, even on his 2nd to last album, he said he would rather go out in a blazing shootout than not be able to go to his hood again. This was the dichotomy that a lot of young pro black rappers faced at the time.

I understand that but Nas has been called out for his flaws ad NAUSEAM since 1996. The Source ran an entire “Nas contradictory lyrics” article shytting on him in 03. Nas been called everything in the book. false prophet, liar, hypocrite, Hotep, fake TD Jakes, etc.

And before ANYBODY comes in here with “Your a Nas stan” talk. Yes I am. But I didn’t BRING Nas into this topic of conversation I kept it strictly about Pac and what I perceived to be bias towards his many flaws and contradictions. YA’LL brought Nas into it for the record

 

[Bondye Vodou]

The deflections my nikka, "bbbbut whaddabout nas".

 

[Billy Ocean]

I understand that but Nas has been called out for his flaws ad NAUSEAM since 1996. The Source ran an entire “Nas contradictory lyrics” article shytting on him in 03. Nas been called everything in the book. false prophet, liar, hypocrite, Hotep, fake TD Jakes, etc.

And before ANYBODY comes in here with “Your a Nas stan” talk. Yes I am. But I didn’t BRING Nas into this topic of conversation I kept it strictly about Pac and what I perceived to be bias towards his many flaws and contradictions. YA’LL brought Nas into it for the record

Outside of the music Nas has been nowhere near as impetuously reckless as Pac was. There's been a million nikkas with contradictory lyrics, Nas is no different.

 

[Ziggiy]

Outside of the music Nas has been nowhere near as impetuously reckless as Pac was. There's been a million nikkas with contradictory lyrics, Nas is no different.

I don’t even want to derail the thread talking about Nas. Thats what people LOVE to accuse Nas fans of is making everything about Nas, but when you really want to talk about the negative or unsavory aspects of some of our other favorite Hip Hop figures people be QUICK to be on some “Bu bu but NAS did…”

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

PAC knew BIG didn’t have nothing to do with it. Slept with the man wife Made Hit ‘Em Up talking about peoples kids and what just to sell some albums a lot of that was uncalled for it was only a matter of time you keep people negative energy out in the universe it’s going to come back to you.

 

[Billy Ocean]

I don’t even want to derail the thread talking about Nas. Thats what people LOVE to accuse Nas fans of is making everything about Nas, but when you really want to talk about the negative or unsavory aspects of some of our other favorite Hip Hop figures people be QUICK to be on some “Bu bu but NAS did…”

Nas is an easy target for alot of these nikkas cause he very rarely responds to the bullshyt. He's the same with his music as well. Took him forever to address the bullshyt Jay was throwing his way.

 

[serial]

Lol get outta here with that bullsh1t

The mocking of ny slang in the begining and the chorus we’re not praising of nyc

It was clearly a diss track then they backtracked when sh1t got hot and proceeded to kiss Big’ ass

The mocking I'll let you have but that was based on New york having an elitist attitude toward the west coast. The chorus is based on an old new york record.

Big and busta proceeded to get on the radio and say to New york you cannot let them come and shoot a video here..... Shots fired we now have a serious issue.

I dont even believe Snoop was kissing ass he can say that now, but Bigs bodyguard already said that he was asking BIG for his location when he was in Cali and Big didnt trust Snoop.

 

[NYC Rebel]

We know why

Nas would rap circles arous Pac.

That's cool for ny nikkaz. We didn't hear that shyt until it was a major release....so

Now that you’ve learned, you should move on and act as if you’re educated on it.

Any time a song released either on the streets, or came on stretch, and Bobbito, it was considered a release. THAT was hip hop. I heard Wu, Mobb Deep, Pharcyde, all in that same manner, a year early. The natural progression was for it to go beyond those confines. That’s how hip hop worked regionally everywhere.

Since when was that unique to New York? because Pac got yall changing what was a hip hop norm?

I swear, yall internet weirdos tell on yourselces all the time.

I think you guys are so removed from how hip-hop once was that it’s foreign to you to know that the streets once dictated hip-hop.



Yall little hang ups over New York is a trip.

 

[Guvnor]

Biggie's dead cuz him and Puffy decided to align themselves with Compton Crips, instead of real security

That's part of the story too. They set up PAC with they bullshyt and Biggie dying was most likely retaliation.

Don’t matter, he went when he knew he shouldn’t.

This is an even greater point imo. Sure Biggie died cause PAC lied but you can't control another's actions. You know tension was at an all time high, he should have avoided LA.

 

[Nomad1]

cause one of your co-posters homies , posted a flat out lie
biggie went platinum 1st

And? That wasn't me that said it. No one is trying to team up against you

 

[Nomad1]

Look at her face during the segment with Clark bro. She knows Pac wasn't being fully truthful

What Angie thinks is irrelevant she has no connection to that night, same with Kent.

End of the day, both sides did things really wrong, and some of it was out of Pac and Bigs control.

PAC story changed so many times first it was BIG then it was stretch then it was o BIG knew and didn’t warn me. PAC was all over the place. He was an actor. Trying to create controversy to sell records cause he couldn’t compete with BIG. Everything that Puff touched at that time was a hit.

List the interviews/songs of Pac drastically changing his story? At worst, he blurred the lines but Bad Boy LITERALLY released Who Shot Ya around Pac's death to capitalize on the buzz surrounding Pac's case and getting shot.

If that doesn't happen, Pac would not have attacked Bad Boy the way he did. Prior to NY 87, and Hit Em Up Pac was not going at Bad Boy or naming Big in anything.

Also, Pac was already Plat on two albums and gold on another, why would he create this beef solely for records?

Again, Biggie fans conveniently leaving out events from 94-96 just so you can spin your narratives. It's so sad

 

[Knicksman20]

What Angie thinks is irrelevant she has no connection to that night, same with Kent.

End of the day, both sides did things really wrong, and some of it was out of Pac and Bigs control.

I think it is relevant considering she knew both & has an interview with Pac she's been sitting on for years. She obviously knows things just like Clark & dismissing them like you did even though they were close to Big bro....Just like you don't dismiss Napolean's opinion when he's on camera lol