2 Up 2 Down
Veteran
I always assumed that Square never really cared for turn based for Final Fantasy.
"'Clair Obscur: Expedition 33' utterly destroys Square Enix's gaslighting over Final Fantasy turn-based combat"-Windows Central
- Thread starter Fatboi1
- Start date
All people are saying is that Clair Obscure feels like the FF game that never was.
If this small first time developer could pull it off then a FF in that style would be AWESOME.
Square is trying to chase a larger audience, but that has not been working so far.
Lots of devs found their way back to big success by leaning into what their core fans love.
Not sure why that’s such a controversial take to some of you.
If this small first time developer could pull it off then a FF in that style would be AWESOME.
Square is trying to chase a larger audience, but that has not been working so far.
Lots of devs found their way back to big success by leaning into what their core fans love.
Not sure why that’s such a controversial take to some of you.
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
Should be more american jrpgs
Someone make a Shadow Madness remake
Someone make a Shadow Madness remake
Th3G3ntleman
Superstar
I think the conversation is silly. Is there hard evidence that FF games are struggling in anyway? I'm not talking about former fans mad at the new direction I mean in general? The idea that square has been failing in the attempt to broaden their audience isn't something I've seen concrete evidence of. What are their sales goals and are the newer games hitting those goals?
Final Fantasy XIII The Fastest-Selling In The Franchise - IGN
Square-Enix announced Final Fantasy XIII has recorded the largest first-week sales in franchise's history. The game has sold over one million units in North America in the first five days on sale.
Final Fantasy XV Sells Five Million Copies, Breaks Series Record for Day-One Sales
Paste Magazine is your source for the best music, movies, TV, comedy, videogames, books, comics, craft beer, politics and more. Discover your favorite albums and films.
www.pastemagazine.com
Final Fantasy XV sells over 8.9 million copies
Square Enix's massive investments in Final Fantasy XV have paid off big time.
www.tweaktown.com
Final Fantasy 16 Sold 3 Million Copies During Launch Week - IGN
Final Fantasy 16 has hit its first big sales milestone, selling over three million copies during its first week on the market.
Final Fantasy 16 sales did not meet high expectations, says Square Enix president
Sales of Final Fantasy 16 did not meet Square Enix's high expectations, said president Takashi Kiryu.
www.eurogamer.net
"FF16" and "Rebirth" both flopped.
Square Enix Admits Final Fantasy 16 and 7 Rebirth Profits ‘Did Not Meet Our Expectations’ - IGN
Square Enix has made public its dissatisfaction with Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth’s commercial performance, admitting neither game met profit expectations.
Square Enix May Be in Serious Trouble Following Final Fantasy 16 Launch
A new report suggests Square Enix is in serious financial trouble, even after the launch of the highly-anticipated Final Fantasy 16.
gamerant.com
They've been losing money for a few years now.
Fred.
Yes 3.5 million copies for a remake of one of squares biggest games of all time is horrific.
16 flopped too, a large part of this is due to how they still do exclusivity like its 2010 though
Formerly Black Trash
Philosopher, Connoisseur, Future Legend
I still fukk with Tales series"FF16" and "Rebirth" both flopped.
Square Enix Admits Final Fantasy 16 and 7 Rebirth Profits ‘Did Not Meet Our Expectations’ - IGN
Square Enix has made public its dissatisfaction with Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth’s commercial performance, admitting neither game met profit expectations.www.ign.com
Square Enix May Be in Serious Trouble Following Final Fantasy 16 Launch
A new report suggests Square Enix is in serious financial trouble, even after the launch of the highly-anticipated Final Fantasy 16.
They've been losing money for a few years now.
Fred.
Innovation without tossing out everything that fans love
I never bothered finishing FF7 remake because I dont like the lack of freedom
And too many story changes that font improve it
That 3.5 million number isn't for Rebirth, that was for Remake selling in 3 days on PS4. Square never officially announced the numbers for Rebirth. Rebirth was the in the top selling games of 2024 for the whole year though so I doubt it "flopped".
The narrative around Rebirth was always people extrapolating that it flopped due to them conflating Square saying that they released multiple HD titles including XVI and Rebirth but profits did not meet their expectations which is a running theme with Square saying that about every single game they release. They're just saying all of their past actual flops like that Splatoon looking game and others were not mitigated with XVI and Rebirth.
Actually I just found out that they themselves just said that Rebirth sales were NOT disappointing.
This was from Dec 2024 so the narrative about Rebirth flopping can be put to rest finally. That was an annoying narrative being spun out of nowhere all last year just because there wasn't any official numbers dropped. Nobody can say it flopped, all we have as of Dec 2024 is the man himself saying the sales were satisfying so now it can't be spun that it was both a flop(narrative) vs it was satisfying(From the source itself.)
Last edited:
Th3G3ntleman
Superstar
"FF16" and "Rebirth" both flopped.
Square Enix Admits Final Fantasy 16 and 7 Rebirth Profits ‘Did Not Meet Our Expectations’ - IGN
Square Enix has made public its dissatisfaction with Final Fantasy 16 and Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth’s commercial performance, admitting neither game met profit expectations.
Square Enix May Be in Serious Trouble Following Final Fantasy 16 Launch
A new report suggests Square Enix is in serious financial trouble, even after the launch of the highly-anticipated Final Fantasy 16.
They've been losing money for a few years now.
Fred.
Ok this seems straight forward although I'm not sure what their expectations are. It's entirely possible that they might just have too high expectations for this series and within the context of gaming overall the series is in a good spot but I digress they seem to be having some issues.
Respectfully, nah man.
We came to the same conclusion (Square needs to go back to it's turn based roots) but I disagree with pretty much the entirety of what you're saying here.
"FF" is one of the longest running most successful franchises in gaming history. It's not niche by any measure of the word.
Square's issue is, they don't seem to realize turn based combat is mainstream, and has been for a very long time. They're stuck in the early 00's. They think fans want an RPG/"Devil May Cry" hybrid which doesn't please RPG fans, or action/adventure fans. That's why the reception for "FF" has been lukewarm for a minute. It's why straight turn based RPGs are performing as well as, if not better than, "FF".
They need to bite the bullet and make a traditional turn based RPG "FF". Their fan base is so divided at this point I'm not even sure how it would be received. Which is insane because "FF" practically birthed the subgenre in gaming.
Fred.
I think Square should treat it as such because the approach of treating the series as if its a juggernaut on par with Mario, Pokemon, Call of Duty, etc. isnt working.
Its funny because outside of me calling FF niche, the rest of what your saying is what I said so I dont get it
Which is what I mean
Square is acting like FF is synonymous with the gaming mainstream and it isn’t. Its the face of the RPG genre but the RPG genre is natively for hardcore gamers, not casuals. So appealing to casuals doesnt make sense anymore, treat it as the niche that its always been
The idea it flopped didn't come out of nowhere, their own financial report said it's profits did not meet expectations.
So I dunno what dude is referring to.
Fred.
Diunx
Probably drunk
I would honestly say that Persona is the face of the JRPG genre right now.
Similar threads
