"'Clair Obscur: Expedition 33' utterly destroys Square Enix's gaslighting over Final Fantasy turn-based combat"-Windows Central

[MeachTheMonster]

Yet we constantly get PR that a game on gamepass hits a million players like a month later or don’t get any PR at all about player numbers.

it Wouldn’t be a surprise if more people on playstation and steam combined sold more copies than people played on Gamepass.

Now gamepass doesn’t hurt sales

and steam stats don’t matter

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Now gamepass doesn’t hurt sales

it hurts sales on xbox, which is why they are doing day and date on playstation and pc (and probably switch 2) now

 

[MeachTheMonster]

it hurts sales on xbox, which is why they are doing day and date on playstation and pc (and probably switch 2) now

seems like a great situation for devs

 

[TripleAgent]

The newest FF7 has a lot of problems, but it wasnt the combat, ill agree.

But that doesnt dismiss the rest of the article either.

The problem is that stylistically, turn based combat will always be unpopular and not preferred to the mainstream, attention span isnt there. Clair Obscur is enjoying its 15 minutes but ultimately people default to action based gameplay, square recognizes this.

The bigger issue in my opinion is that Square’s gotten too big for their britches, FF is natively a niche product and series, they got lucky with the OG FF7 and advent children taking off, but their philosophy changes to accomodate and make FF accessible to the mainstream has largely just pissed off the core fanbase and hasnt really worked on the casual fanbase outside of FF14. They should realize this and appeal to the core fanbase again, IMO.

• Final Fantasy - 2.13 million+
• Final Fantasy II - 1.37 million+
• Final Fantasy III - 3.86 million+
• Final Fantasy IV - 3.49 million+
• Final Fantasy V - 2.88 million+
• Final Fantasy VI - 3.80 million+
• Final Fantasy VII - 14.10 million
• Final Fantasy VIII - 9.60 million+
• Final Fantasy IX - 5.83 million+
• Final Fantasy X & X-2 - 20.80 million
• Final Fantasy XI: Online - 1.77 million+
• Final Fantasy XII - 7.71 million+
• Final Fantasy XIII & XIII-2 - 7.70 million+ & 3.30 million+ respectively
• Final Fantasy XIV: Online - 1.45 million+
• Final Fantasy XV - 10.00 million+
• Final Fantasy VII Remake - 7.00 million
• Final Fantasy XVI - 3.50 million

Square enix puts out the most turn based games of any other publisher, people don’t buy them (aside from dragon quest)

Final Fantasy has always been about experimentation and trying to push the medium further. Rebirth has one of the most inventive combat systems out of any modern game, XVI less so.

also, while Claire Obscur is the clear GOTY front runner right now, both the last final fantasy games sold 3x’s as much as it did in the first couple of days. SE isn’t in competition with them they are in competition with other major AAA devs, Sony, Bethesda, CDPR, Capcom, etc.

Clair Obscur has been a persona/xeno/yakuza level success which is great but the internet using it to shyt on Square is retarded especially the obvious warring windows central article that has their line in the sand because of its gamepass association

Final Fantasy sells off name alone. A new IP by a team of 33 people, which is probably around the size of SE's janitorial staff, says a ton. A small team made the FF game true fans have wanted for 20 years.