City of Portland set to re-fund the police

[Professor Emeritus]

Next to legalizing illegal immigrants, this might have been the dumbest liberal proposal in the past 100 years.

Um...

A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants


Not that I'm blaming you, conservatives gotta be experts at driving the narrative when they can turn "an actual policy enacted by the most popular Republican of our lifetimes" into "the dumbest thing liberals have ever done" in just 30 years.

The Dream Act, which is the main thing any liberals push, is supported by the vast majority of Americans:

Americans broadly support legal status for immigrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children



In terms of defund the police, the idea was half right but the messaging was poorly done even if well-intentioned, and unfortunately the timing was fukked with the pandemic increasing social unrest and random crime (even in conservative areas that increased their cop budgets in this same time) but it all getting blamed on the defund police people. Along with police cynically using their power by not doing jack shyt about crime so that it escalated and then blaming their opponents for their own actions.

 

[CrimsonTider]

You have so little to say it’s remarkable. But I’m tapping out HL anyhow. @mastermind can keep fighting these fights with bad faith actors.

Don't at me. I'm not engaging with that dude.

It’s not a bad faith argument. The actual bad faith argument is to pretend that crime is just a mental health and lack of opportunity issue

Desperation causes crime but you’re really out of Touch if you think every criminal is doing these things because they don’t have any other options

The 2 biggest problems are illegal guns and repeat offenders not being punished harshly enough

But you can’t take money from a police department and expect them to have better training, qualifications and staffing. That’s just complete nonsense that’s repeated on the internet


Law abiding citizens that live in disadvantaged communities want more police

privilege nikkas that don’t think defunding the police for therapy will solve crime

Look at the pushback Atlanta got when they tried to defund 30% of the budget

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It’s not a bad faith argument. The actual bad faith argument is to pretend that crime is just a mental health and lack of opportunity issue

Desperation causes crime but you’re really out of Touch if you think every criminal is doing these things because they don’t have any other options

The 2 biggest problems are illegal guns and repeat offenders not being punished harshly enough

So you think crime and social unrest would be better with stricter sentences than we already have? Even though the USA already incarcerates more people for longer than any other country?

That goes against every bit of data out there. European nations have dramatically lower incarceration rates and lesser sentences than the USA without their crime spiraling out of control. And evidence shows that once the incarceration rate in a community goes above a certain %, more incarceration actually leads to more crimes, not fewer, because more people get institutionalized, more kids grow up without fathers, and the community as a whole becomes more resolutely anti-police.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Something I sure certain are going to ignore:

Police in major urban centers spend over 50% of their service time on responding to noncriminal complaints and doing traffic. They only spend 4% of their service time on violent crime.

How Do the Police Actually Spend Their Time? (Published 2020)

And that doesn't even count the non-service time spent on admin, training, and off-duty security detail. If they really wanted to deal with violent crime they could just reallocate resources. Hire other non-police personnel to handle the non-criminal bullshyt and have police focused solely on actual crimes, and you'd already have plenty of officers.

I think police should be better trained and better qualified, which probably means in the end that you have to pay them more. But talking like violent crime is the result of not enough police when police even in the worst districts aren't even spending 5% of their time on violent crime really shows how easy it is for the cops to play people. Every time they want more funding, they just lay down and ignore crime for a while, and the public obediently comes back begging for the boots to be placed back on our necks again.

 

[CrimsonTider]

So you think crime and social unrest would be better with stricter sentences than we already have? Even though the USA already incarcerates more people for longer than any other country?

That goes against every bit of data out there. European nations have dramatically lower incarceration rates and lesser sentences than the USA without their crime spiraling out of control. And evidence shows that once the incarceration rate in a community goes above a certain %, more incarceration actually leads to more crimes, not fewer, because more people get institutionalized, more kids grow up without fathers, and the community as a whole becomes more resolutely anti-police.

I think repeat offenders should be sentenced harsher. The truth is that local jails are giving the most dangerous people bail because they don’t want to hold them until they get sentenced to prison

look at the EST GEE associates case. Do you think this man should’ve been grant bail? Do you think it would better serve the community if they just booked him therapy

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was discovered that Mosley was also one of the people behind a $300,000 full-cash bond for the person accused of killing 3-year-old Trinity Randolph and her father, Brandon Waddles, in August 2020.

Kevon Lawless, 24 is now facing the death penalty in relation to their deaths. Once the bond was paid, Lawless was released on home incarceration. He would later be brought back into jail for a separate parole violation.

Rapper EST Gee’s record company partner arrested by FBI

y’all coming at me with theory and utopia. I’m talking real life.

 

[88m3]

Amidst Chaos On Rikers, AOC And Maloney Call On DAs To Ease Up On Bail

NJ’s Cut Its Prison Population By 40% During 11 Months Of the Pandemic

 

[CrimsonTider]

Something I sure certain are going to ignore:

Police in major urban centers spend over 50% of their service time on responding to noncriminal complaints and doing traffic. They only spend 4% of their service time on violent crime.

How Do the Police Actually Spend Their Time? (Published 2020)

And that doesn't even count the non-service time spent on admin, training, and off-duty security detail. If they really wanted to deal with violent crime they could just reallocate resources. Hire other non-police personnel to handle the non-criminal bullshyt and have police focused solely on actual crimes, and you'd already have plenty of officers.

I think police should be better trained and better qualified, which probably means in the end that you have to pay them more. But talking like violent crime is the result of not enough police when police even in the worst districts aren't even spending 5% of their time on violent crime really shows how easy it is for the cops to play people. Every time they want more funding, they just lay down and ignore crime for a while, and the public obediently comes back begging for the boots to be placed back on our necks again.

How is “spend time on violent crime” even measured?

violent crime isn’t a prolonged thing like a car accident or helping someone detail a theft?

police presence is a deterrent. There aren’t enough police to have a decent presence due to things like Low pay

 

[mastermind]

How is “spend time on violent crime” even measured?

violent crime isn’t a prolonged thing like a car accident or helping someone detail a theft?

police presence is a deterrent. There aren’t enough police to have a decent presence due to things like Low pay

you should read the article because the questions are answered there.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Amidst Chaos On Rikers, AOC And Maloney Call On DAs To Ease Up On Bail

NJ’s Cut Its Prison Population By 40% During 11 Months Of the Pandemic

I’m not paying to read something on the internet

you should read the article because the questions are answered there.

Y’all got me in here sounding real republican

are you letting these people out with any programs, monitoring and measurement of how there going to be acclimated back into society?

most people get out of prison and pick up right where they left off

 

[mastermind]

Y’all got me in here sounding real republican

You are pretty conservative tho

 

[mastermind]

I’m not paying to read something on the internet

You shouldn't ask questions on things you didn't read, which is also pretty Republican.

The article
https://archive.vn/r1U9T

 

[CrimsonTider]

You are pretty conservative tho

hell nah, I just think you have to be more practical from a local governing perspective.

You shouldn't ask questions on things you didn't read, which is also pretty Republican.

The article
https://archive.vn/r1U9T

I was inquiring

 

[mastermind]

hell nah, I just think you have to be more practical from a local governing perspective.

Nothing about the American criminal justice system is practical.

 

[88m3]

I’m not paying to read something on the internet

You're a troll

 

[Professor Emeritus]

How is “spend time on violent crime” even measured?

violent crime isn’t a prolonged thing like a car accident or helping someone detail a theft?

Breh, it's not hard to measure how long someone spends responding to, dealing with, and investing violent crime.

police presence is a deterrent.

The article deals with how much time officers spend in the community on "police presence" too. It's on the order of 10% but differs a lot depending on department. At this point you might as well read it.

There aren’t enough police to have a decent presence due to things like Low pay

Low pay is not the reason there aren't enough officers.