Christopher Nolan's 'Dunkirk'

[gluvnast]

Again, he feels guilt for them risking his life just to save to save him. He says i lived the best i could and i hope that was enough for what you guys did for me. Thats the whole point of Miller's earn this speech, and how ryan feels later on in life. And sacrifice for the next guy is the whole point of war and the military.


Apocalyspe Now cant be compared. It's not a real representation of war, and even then Sheen kills Brando. So his mission was successful too.

"live the best that he could" doesn't sound like guilt to me. Again, it is paying homage by living the best long life he possibly could have because those guys paid their lives so he could live his. That's not guilt.

And again, this is about Spielberg's typical standard in mostly concluding his films on a positive note. With the exception of Munich, all of his films are wrapped up neatly in a uplifting note of some kind of closure that can inspire. And reality is not like that. Apocalypse Now is an example of the total opposite. It showed or exposed war in its true light.

Dunkirk, and I just watched it again last night, basically manipulate perception versus reality. Everything in this intertwining timelines exposed a perception that contradicts the reality and it is summed up with Churchill's speech talking hella shyt like "yea, y'all had up against the wall, but we're still here", when the truth was that the Army and Navy were very unsure and scared of what they felt was a certain demise.

 

[GunRanger]

An old dude crying and begging his wife to "tell me im a good man" isnt someone with guilt now.

When they first arrive, he was against the mission because he didnt feel he deserved it (why me?) and he ended up crying during the battle. The only ones that survive are the cynic (burns), the coward (upham) and ryan. Why wouldnt he be grateful for their sacrifice? Thats the whole point of war. To sacrifice for the next guy. Mind you, the entire movie has the soldiers complaining about the mission. The whole film is much more cynical about the mission than people talk about.

Again, apocalypse now still had a successful mission. And the whole story is far removed from the reality of real war.

Dunkirk doesnt play with reality. It plays with sequence. All the events happen without change but some scenes change context. Either way, it was uninteresting. It was propulsion without purpose. It doesnt even do a good job showing why they need to evacuate that day. There was never a sense of being overwhelmed.

 

[kingdarius]

A hour and 15 into this and I'm just this shyt might as well be a silent film. It's nothing but music and effects. Script mustve been 5 pages long. Even Nolan can't mAke a pg-13 film entertaining. Easily his weakest movie and I havent even finished it yet

 

[gluvnast]

An old dude crying and begging his wife to "tell me im a good man" isnt someone with guilt now.

When they first arrive, he was against the mission because he didnt feel he deserved it (why me?) and he ended up crying during the battle. The only ones that survive are the cynic (burns), the coward (upham) and ryan. Why wouldnt he be grateful for their sacrifice? Thats the whole point of war. To sacrifice for the next guy. Mind you, the entire movie has the soldiers complaining about the mission. The whole film is much more cynical about the mission than people talk about.

Again, apocalypse now still had a successful mission. And the whole story is far removed from the reality of real war.

Dunkirk doesnt play with reality. It plays with sequence. All the events happen without change but some scenes change context. Either way, it was uninteresting. It was propulsion without purpose. It doesnt even do a good job showing why they need to evacuate that day. There was never a sense of being overwhelmed.

Your context is all messed up OR you just took one line and made it as if he felt like he was guilty of living at all which that wasn't the case OR the point.

Old James Ryan: [Last lines, addressing Capt. Miller's grave] My family is with me today. They wanted to come with me. To be honest with you, I wasn't sure how I'd feel coming back here. Every day I think about what you said to me that day on the bridge. I tried to live my life the best that I could. I hope that was enough. I hope that, at least in your eyes, I've earned what all of you have done for me.

Ryan's Wife: James?...

[looking at headstone]

Ryan's Wife: Captain John H Miller.

Old James Ryan: Tell me I have led a good life.

Ryan's Wife: What?

Old James Ryan: Tell me I'm a good man.

Ryan's Wife: You *are*.

[Walks away]

Old James Ryan: [Stands back and salutes]

^^^ that the entire final scene in FULL CONTEXT. The entire scene was about paying HOMAGE because they sacrificed their lives so he could live his. Yes, that is a heavy shoulder to carry, but he carried it. How you going to make that appear like a SAD ending when he ends it with saluting Capt. Miller in the end. The whole point is to showcase HONOR and HOMAGE for those who died. It wasn't about he felt like he didn't deserve to live, otherwise he would make it an effort to keep the promise to Captain Miller. The point WAS he Ryan succeed in living and having a full life and held it as a promise to what happened back on the bridge. That is not a SAD ENDING.

Apocalypse now is the reality of real war and exposed even BEFORE it was made an issue decades later the effects of people dealing with PTSD. The "mission" was moot versus the mental breakdown of Willard as he went further down the river to find Kurtz. The moral is that war is insane and make people go insane the deeper they are in it.

Lastly, Dunkirk is about perception vs reality, how one perceives vs what really occurred. But if you wasn't paying attention to the countless examples of those things in this film, you will never understand.

 

[gluvnast]

A hour and 15 into this and I'm just this shyt might as well be a silent film. It's nothing but music and effects. Script mustve been 5 pages long. Even Nolan can't mAke a pg-13 film entertaining. Easily his weakest movie and I havent even finished it yet

Technically it is a silent film. Part of the point is to have as little dialogue as possible.

 

[pickles]

at responses in this thread.

Watch Dunkirk on bootleg DVD brehs.

It was meant to be watched in the theatre.

 

[kingdarius]

Technically it is a silent film. Part of the point is to have as little dialogue as possible.

Cool. Snobs only film. 6/10 deleted immediately

at responses in this thread.

Watch Dunkirk on bootleg DVD brehs.

It was meant to be watched in the theatre.

Make a movie only for the theater experience like Michael bay or some shyt brehs

 

[pickles]

Cool. Snobs only film. 6/10 deleted immediately

Make a movie only for the theater experience like Michael bay or some shyt brehs

Where are movies suppose to be seen then?

Watch bootleg movies on dusty laptops and expect a high quality experience brehs.

You know this was an actual event that happened in history right?

 

[GunRanger]

Your context is all messed up OR you just took one line and made it as if he felt like he was guilty of living at all which that wasn't the case OR the point.



^^^ that the entire final scene in FULL CONTEXT. The entire scene was about paying HOMAGE because they sacrificed their lives so he could live his. Yes, that is a heavy shoulder to carry, but he carried it. How you going to make that appear like a SAD ending when he ends it with saluting Capt. Miller in the end. The whole point is to showcase HONOR and HOMAGE for those who died. It wasn't about he felt like he didn't deserve to live, otherwise he would make it an effort to keep the promise to Captain Miller. The point WAS he Ryan succeed in living and having a full life and held it as a promise to what happened back on the bridge. That is not a SAD ENDING.

Who said it was sad? I said it's not happy, and it isnt.

And either youre being deliberately obtuse or you just are an idiot. The entire speech is him trying to make right to Miller. It's the only reason he went. Is he paying homage? Yes. Why? Because of his guilt. What part of that dont you get? He still didnt feel like he deserved it, hence him asking his wife if he was a good man.

Apocalypse now is the reality of real war and exposed even BEFORE it was made an issue decades later the effects of people dealing with PTSD. The "mission" was moot versus the mental breakdown of Willard as he went further down the river to find Kurtz. The moral is that war is insane and make people go insane the deeper they are in it.

People knew about ptsd for decades. They just called it being shellshocked. Most people that go to war dont end up crazy. AN isnt a representation of actual warfare. Thats the whole point. It's not what real soldiers went through. And this started because your "criticism" of a successful mission, which is true in AN. And the movie ends with him getting back on the boat and leaving. He killed him, took the shyt, and left. You dont know how he'll react when he gets back

 

[gluvnast]

Who said it was sad? I said it's not happy, and it isnt.

And either youre being deliberately obtuse or you just are an idiot. The entire speech is him trying to make right to Miller. It's the only reason he went. Is he paying homage? Yes. Why? Because of his guilt. What part of that dont you get? He still didnt feel like he deserved it, hence him asking his wife if he was a good man.


People knew about ptsd for decades. They just called it being shellshocked. Most people that go to war dont end up crazy. AN isnt a representation of actual warfare. Thats the whole point. It's not what real soldiers went through. And this started because your "criticism" of a successful mission, which is true in AN. And the movie ends with him getting back on the boat and leaving. He killed him, took the shyt, and left. You dont know how he'll react when he gets back

Before Apocalypse Now, there's wasn't ANY WAR FILM that expressed the psychological damage and trauma when dealing with war. Coppola had a revolutionary thought in making a film that focused on something horrific yet true and took chances, which is what this whole debate is about. Spielberg, even in his greatness in directing, been predictable in how he make his films with the arc having some type of positive closure. You trying to deny that Saving Private Ryan didn't have that cliche type of ending. If you harping on the emotional aspect... yea, as emotional as the ending of E.T. but just as positive of an ending. It wasn't the ending that is depressing, or horrifying, or make you think of war or the soldiers who fought in it in a negative light and it was never with that intent. The whole ending was purely about paying homage retrospectively though Ryan's eyes. And that's TYPICAL to almost ALL of Spielberg's dramas with the rare exception of Munich. It is always about having some kind of uplifting, or positive, or inspirational or even joyful closure to end the film. I almost guarantee the end of The Post when it comes out in theaters will have a similar type of ending. Saying the ending concluded on a sad note or whatever you mean because Ryan so-called felt "guilty" which he wasn't guilty at all about living a long life afterwards means you entirely MISSED the point of not just that scene but the entire film as a whole, because Capt. Miller's troops went though a lot just to even REACH Ryan and agreed to stay to complete the mission of protecting the bridge in order for Ryan to come home and they did with the cost of their lives. The point was to HONOR THEM, not feeling guilty about it. The only thing Ryan felt was that he believe his life isn't any more important than the rest of those soldiers which was his argument when they arrived. That wasn't guilt, that was his BELIEF, it was the whole reason he got them to protect the bridge. It had nothing to do with guilt. It was all about if he was that DESERVING out of everybody else that lost their lives, because that whole battle impacted him emotionally.



^^^^ that's the scene is WHY Ryan at the end was all choked up over. Not that he's guilty of anything,but his belief that he's no better than any of the other men that sacrificed their lives. But if you want to make it into that he's GUILTY over him living and rather want to be dead like them... you go ahead with that nonsense, but that wasn't the point of that final scene or the point of the movie as a whole.

 

[kingdarius]

Where are movies suppose to be seen then?

Watch bootleg movies on dusty laptops and expect a high quality experience brehs.

You know this was an actual event that happened in history right?

Are u an idiot? How is watching a 1080p bluray rip on a 55 inch a bad experience? Stfu.....movie was ass cheeks. Woulda been pissed if I paid for it

 

[FlyRy]

GOATKIRK on digital HD today and on disc next week :smugnolan:

 

[pickles]

Are u an idiot? How is watching a 1080p bluray rip on a 55 inch a bad experience? Stfu.....movie was ass cheeks. Woulda been pissed if I paid for it

 

[ProfessionallyTrill]

Finally got around to seeing this.

Wasnt feeling it. 6.5/10.

 

[FlyRy]

Finally got around to seeing this.

Wasnt feeling it. 6.5/10.

This movie was meant to be seen on the big screen :nolan: