Christians, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, and the NOI all believe in the same God.

[Ish Gibor]

Do you understand what "Abrahamic" means?

"The many trends within the textual strata make it clear that it was not an easy task to reach a consensus regarding identity. But it was brought to completion through the closure of these five books as a whole during the Persian period and their subsequent translation into Greek in the following Hellenistic period. Two main trends within the Pentateuchal “collection” have been identified with the myth of Abraham, on the one hand, which is clearly genealogical, and the myth of Moses called “exodic,” on the other, which is more prophetic and legal. In the first case, one may be identified by birth, and in the second, by obedience to the law. In both cases, the question of living in the land -or more precisely possessing the land- seems secondary. However, the links between these concepts of genealogy, the law and the land have not received much attention. Yet in a comparative approach in light of contemporaneous Athens these concepts no longer stand as opposed as they seem to be in their biblical setting. Indeed, the intuition that the Pentateuch makes better sense in light of Athenian sources is quite convincing in my eyes, but these influences may have begun earlier and the Persian Achaemenid period seems a perfect historical context as the empire was confronted repeatedly and the Levant stood at the cross roads of Greece to many routes from the eastern to the western frontiers and the southern to the northern ones"

Review of Russell E. Gmirkin, Plato and the Creation of the Hebrew Bible | Bible Interp

 

[BlackXCL]

Everyone thinks they're right.

None of them are right.

Religion in a nutshell.

What you believe is heavily influenced by what country your parents decided to fukk raw and pop you out in.

Also on the time period in which you were born.

Hardly any real logic or thought goes into any belief really. Its all pre-programmed.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Do you understand what "Abrahamic" means?

Yes, and Muslims don't worship the same 'god' as Christians and Jews. Different names, different attributes, different beings.​

 

[Chrishaune]

Everyone thinks they're right.

None of them are right.

Religion in a nutshell.

What you believe is heavily influenced by what country your parents decided to fukk raw and pop you out in.

Also on the time period in which you were born.

Hardly any real logic or thought goes into any belief really. Its all pre-programmed.

False, there is a way. But clearly you don't want to research and study it for yourself.

 

[Ish Gibor]

more folks should learn about the backstories to the names

the ancient Canaanite religion is closer to what is found in the OT than people realize

El (deity) - Wikipedia
Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia



Ptahil (deity) - Wikipedia

Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia

Spoiler: YHVH Tzevaot

Sabazios - Wikipedia

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 53 - King James Version

The Harps that Once...
Sumerian Poetry in Translation, Auteur: Thorkild Jacobsen

Chariots (giš gigir) are attested for the traditional deities Ninlil, Šara, Ningirsu, Bau, Imdugudbabbar, Ašgi and Alla, and Ningišzida. 3

(Pitts, Audrey. 2015. The Cult of the Deified King in Ur III Mesopotamia. Doctoral dissertation, Harvard University, Graduate School of Arts & Sciences.)
The Cult of the Deified King in Ur III Mesopotamia



Reproduction of the hieroglyphic inscription of YHWH dated to 1400 BC.
Credit: Benny Bonte

Moabite Stone [Mesha Stele] dated 840 BC.

Moabite Stone [Mesha Stele]

 

[Aceofspades404]

yall really took this thread serious

 

[MMS]

Reproduction of the hieroglyphic inscription of YHWH dated to 1400 BC.
Credit: Benny Bonte

Moabite Stone [Mesha Stele] dated 840 BC.

Moabite Stone [Mesha Stele]

Shasu - Wikipedia

Two Egyptian texts, one dated to the period of Amenhotep III (14th century BCE), the other to the age of Ramesses II (13th century BCE), refer to t3 š3św yhw,[6] i.e. "Yahu in the land of the Šosū-nomads", in which yhw[3]/Yahu is a toponym.

Hieroglyph Name Pronunciation

Regarding the name yhw3, Michael Astour observed that the "hieroglyphic rendering corresponds very precisely to the Hebrew tetragrammaton YHWH, or Yahweh, and antedates the hitherto oldest occurrence of that divine name – on the Moabite Stone – by over five hundred years."[7] K. Van Der Toorn concludes: "By the 14th century BC, before the cult of Yahweh had reached Israel, groups of Edomites and Midianites worshipped Yahweh as their god."[8]

Donald B. Redford has argued that the earliest Israelites, semi-nomadic highlanders in central Palestine mentioned on the Merneptah Stele at the end of the 13th century BCE, are to be identified as a Shasu enclave. Since later Biblical tradition portrays Yahweh "coming forth from Seʿir",[9] the Shasu, originally from Moab and northern Edom/Seʿir, went on to form one major element in the amalgam that would constitute the "Israel" which later established the Kingdom of Israel.[10] Per his own analysis of the el-Amarna letters, Anson Rainey concluded that the description of the Shasu best fits that of the early Israelites.[11] If this identification is correct, these Israelites/Shasu would have settled in the uplands in small villages with buildings similar to contemporary Canaanite structures towards the end of the 13th century BCE.[12]

Objections exist to this proposed link between the Israelites and the Shasu, given that the group in the Merneptah reliefs identified with the Israelites are not described or depicted as Shasu (see Merneptah Stele § Karnak reliefs). The Shasu are usually depicted hieroglyphically with a determinative indicating a land, not a people;[13] the most frequent designation for the "foes of Shasu" is the hill-country determinative.[14] Thus they are differentiated from the Canaanites, who are defending the fortified cities of Ashkelon, Gezer, and Yenoam; and from Israel, which is determined as a people, though not necessarily as a socio-ethnic group.[15][16] Scholars point out that Egyptian scribes tended to bundle up "rather disparate groups of people within a single artificially unifying rubric."[17][18]

Frank J. Yurco and Michael G. Hasel would distinguish the Shasu in Merneptah's Karnak reliefs from the people of Israel since they wear different clothing and hairstyles,[verification needed] and are determined differently by Egyptian scribes.[verification needed][19] Lawrence Stager also objected to identifying Merneptah's Shasu with Israelites, since the Shasu are shown dressed differently from the Israelites, who are dressed and hairstyled like the Canaanites.[15][20]

The usefulness of the determinatives has been called into question, though, as in Egyptian writings, including the Merneptah Stele, determinatives are used arbitrarily.[21] Moreover, the hill-country determinative is not always used for Shasu, as is the case in the "Shasu of Yhw" name rings from Soleb and Amarah-West.[citation needed] Gösta Werner Ahlström countered Stager's objection by arguing that the contrasting depictions are because the Shasu were the nomads, while the Israelites were sedentary, and added: "The Shasu that later settled in the hills became known as Israelites because they settled in the territory of Israel".[20]

 

[Ish Gibor]

Yes, and Muslims don't worship the same 'god' as Christians and Jews. Different names, different attributes, different beings.​

Do you even understand the root of this concept?

 

[BlackXCL]

False, there is a way. But clearly you don't want to research and study it for yourself.

"A way" for what? What are you referring to?

And research is literally what turned me into an agnostic

 

[Ish Gibor]

Shasu - Wikipedia

It's a bit more complicated. You are confusing populations. You first need to understand who is who, who did what when, how and why.

"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (ISAIAH 11:11-12)

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15942/jewish/Chapter-11.htm

So shall the king of Assyria lead the captivity of Egypt and the exile of Cush, youths and old men, naked and barefoot, with bare buttocks, the shame of Egypt.

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15951/jewish/Chapter-20.htm

path'-ros (pathros; Egyptian Pata resii, the "South land"; Septuagint ge Pathoures): The Hebrew form of the Egyptian name for Upper Egypt (Isaiah 11:11 Jeremiah 44:1, 15 Ezekiel 29:14; Ezekiel 30:14).

Bible Map: Pathros

PATHROS

(Pathʹros).

Pathros is regularly associated with Egypt (Heb., Mits·raʹyim). (Eze 30:13, 14) Most scholars connect the name Pathros with an Egyptian expression meaning “Land of the South” and evidently referring to Upper Egypt. Upper Egypt generally designates the region of the Nile Valley running from a point somewhat S of Memphis on up (south) to Syene (modern Aswan) at the first cataract of the Nile. The text at Isaiah 11:11, which foretells the return of Israelite exiles from ‘Egypt (Mizraim), Pathros and Cush,’ would seem to corroborate the placing of Pathros somewhere in Upper Egypt, with Cush (Ethiopia) bordering it on the S. An Assyrian inscription of King Esar-haddon gives a similar lineup, referring to “Egypt (Musur), Paturisi and Nubia [Kusu, or Cush].”​—Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. Pritchard, 1974, p. 290.

Ezekiel 29:14 calls Pathros “the land of their [the Egyptians’] origin.” The traditional Egyptian view, as recounted by Herodotus (II, 4, 15, 99), apparently corroborates this, as it makes Upper Egypt, and particularly the region of Thebes, the seat of the first Egyptian kingdom, under a king whom Herodotus calls Menes, a name not found in Egyptian records. Diodorus Siculus (first century B.C.E.) records a similar view. (Diodorus of Sicily, I, 45, 1) The Egyptian tradition set forth by these Greek historians may be a feeble echo of the true history presented in the Bible regarding Mizraim (whose name came to stand for Egypt) and his descendants, including Pathrusim.​—Ge 10:13, 14.

Following the desolation of Judah by Nebuchadnezzar, a remnant of the Jews fled into Egypt. Among the places listed in which they dwelt are Migdol, Tahpanhes, Noph (all cities of Lower Egypt), and “the land of Pathros.” (Jer 44:1) Here they engaged in idolatrous worship, resulting in Jehovah’s condemnation of them and the warning of a coming conquest of Egypt by Nebuchadnezzar. (Jer 44:15, 26-30) Papyrus evidence of the fifth century B.C.E. shows a Jewish colony situated all the way at the southern end of ancient Egypt at Elephantine by Syene.

wol.jw.org

THE MORGAN LIBRARY MUSEUM/ART RESOURCE, NY
ENIGMATIC PAPYRUS ROLL. The decipherment of P. Amherst 63 has been a long and painful process of trial and error. Written in Demotic, a cursive script derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs, this manuscript sheds new light on the Israelite religion and history of the Hebrew Bible. The cultic song contained in column XII, pictured here, is strinkingly similar to the Biblical Psalm 20.

Brooklyn Musem, Bequest of Theodora Wilbour/Photograph by Bruce and Kenneth Zuckerman, West Semitic Research
IN THIS MARRIAGE DOCUMENT, dated to July 3, 449 B.C.E., Ananiah, who was a Jewish temple official on Elephantine, asks Meshullam for the hand of his daughter Tamut. The manuscript belongs to a group of papyri and ostraca (inscribed potsherds) that allow a fascinating glimpse into the daily life of Ananiah and Tamut and of other Arameans and Jews at Syene and Elephantine during the first Persian occupation of Egypt (525–404 B.C.E.).

Egyptian Papyrus Sheds New Light on Jewish History

Three eras divide Hebrew’s history:

● Classical or Biblical Hebrew – Until the third century BCE

● Rabbinic or Mishnaic Hebrew – Written records date from around 200 AD

● Medieval Hebrew – From the sixth to the thirteenth century AD

● Modern Hebrew – The current language spoken in Israel and learnt by Jews around the world

The decline of Hebrew as a spoken language went on from the 9th until the 18th century. Although spoken Hebrew remained stagnant, changes occurred in the written version, as liturgical writers added to the vocabulary, with new words and fresh meanings to existing ones. Moreover, at least 2,000 to 3,000 new words, created from old roots, were added to the philosophical, philological and scientific collection of terms. [...] The later part of the 19th century was the start of Hebrew’s revival. It was fully established as a spoken language by 1948.

Hebrew Language: History, Facts and Learning Tips - Lingualift

The African Hebrew Israelite Nation of Jerusalem (also known as the Black Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem, the Black Hebrew Israelites, or simply the Black Hebrews or Black Israelites) is a spiritual group now mainly based in Dimona, Israel, whose members believe they are descended from the Twelve Tribes of Israel. The community now numbers around 5,000.[1] Their immigrant ancestors were African Americans, many from Chicago, Illinois, who migrated to Israel in the late 1960s.

African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

Front side of a replica of Lachish Letter III, Phoenician script / Paleo-Hebrew script

YHWH on Lachish letters number 2

The Lachish Letters or Lachish Ostraca, sometimes called Hoshaiah Letters, are a series of letters written in carbon ink in Ancient Hebrew on clay ostraca. The letters were discovered at the excavations at Lachish (Tell ed-Duweir).

The ostraca were discovered by James Leslie Starkey in January–February, 1935 during the third campaign of the Wellcome excavations. They were published in 1938 by Harry Torczyner (name later changed to Naftali Herz Tur-Sinai) and have been much studied since then. Seventeen of them are currently located in the British Museum in London,[1] a smaller number (including Letter 6) are on permanent display at the Rockefeller Museum in East Jerusalem.[2] The primary inscriptions are known as KAI 192-199. Lachish letters - Wikipedia

 

[Chrishaune]

"A way" for what? What are you referring to?

And research is literally what turned me into an agnostic

Knowledge of the truth doesn't come by just your mental capabilities. There's a huge spiritual element. You can't recognize the spiritual because your spiritual eyes are not open. You're trying to ride the fence, but that's exactly how the spiritual element has you fooled. You're being blinded by your enemy. The demonic realm has convinced you that you can't know what you can't see with your physical eyes. That is false.

 

[MMS]

https://www.thecoli.com/posts/40520090/

i was thinking about the names here

 

[Ish Gibor]

Shasu - Wikipedia

In continuation….

"These results indicate that the ancestor of all Semitic languages in our dataset was being spoken in the Near East no earlier than approximately 7400 YBP, after having after having diverged from Afroasiatic in Africa"

(i) Semitic had an Early Bronze Age origin (approx. 5750 YBP) in the Levant, followed by an expansion of Akkadian into Mesopotamia;

(ii) Central and South Semitic diverged earlier than previously thought throughout the Levant during the Early to Middle Bronze Age transition; and

(iii) Ethiosemitic arose as the result of a single, possibly pre-Aksumite, introduction of a lineage from southern Arabia to the Horn of Africa approximately 2800 YBP.
~Andrew Kitchen, Christopher Ehret2, Shiferaw Assefa2 and Connie J. Mulligan

Bayesian phylogenetic analysis of Semitic languages identifies an Early Bronze Age origin of Semitic in the Near East
Proc. R. Soc. B (2009) 276, 2703–2710
doi:10.1098/rspb.2009.0408

Ugaritic is basically proto-Arabic.

A Proper View of Arabic, Semitic, and More

Gary A. Rendsburg, University Pennsylvania
Aaron D. Rubin, Rutgers State University
John Huehnergard, Harvard University

"The author’s main contention is that the roots of Arabic are to be found in the language(s) of the Late Bronze Age Levant (Ugaritic especially)."
https://jewishstudies.rutgers.edu/docman/rendsburg/334-jaos-proper-view/file

Head of a Syrian
KhM 3896a
TILE; RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN

1186–1155 BC

The Global Egyptian Museum | 3896a

Head of a Beduin from Syria
KhM 3896b
TILE; RAMESSES III/USERMAATRE-MERIAMUN


1186–1155 BC

The Global Egyptian Museum | 3896b

Head of a Beduin from Syria
KhM 3896c
TILE; NEW KINGDOM


c. 1550 BC – c. 1077 BC

The Global Egyptian Museum | 3896c

Above ancient Syrian

A Syrian mercenary drinking beer in the company of his Egyptian wife and child, c. 1350 BC. Photograph: Bettmann/Corbis

Egyptian Stele of a Syrian Mercenary

Tile with Philistine chief
Egyptian New Kingdom, Dynasty 20, reign of Ramesses III 1184–1153 B.C.
Tile with Philistine chief – Works – Museum of Fine Arts, Boston

Dr. Wesley Muhammed:

"In 2007 Prof. Richard Steiner, professor of Semitic languages and literatures at Yeshiva University (New York) delivered an important lecture at Hebrew University of Jerusalem entitled “Proto-Canaanite Spells in the Pyramid Texts: A Look at the History of Hebrew in the Third Millennium B.C.E.” Prof. Steiner has succeeded in deciphering an Egyptian text that has dumbfounded scholars for more than a century. The text (see illustration) is a collection of magical spells inscribed on the subterranean walls of the pyramid of the Egyptian king Unas at Saqqara. The pyramid was built in the twenty-fourth century BC, but Egyptologists agree that the texts are older, maybe as old as 3,000 BC. […]

The (Proto-)Canaanite language is a member of the Northwest Semitic branch of languages, which also includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Syriac, and others. Arabic has traditionally been placed in the South Semitic branch, but recently some scholars have grouped it with Canaanite (thus “Arabo-Canaanite”) within the Northwest Semitic or even “Central Semitic” branch, while others disagree. Nevertheless, the close relationship between (Proto-)Canaanite and Arabic is clear.

University of Michigan Professor Emeritus George Mendenhall, one of the world’s leading authorities on the Near East and Near Eastern languages, has identified the “earliest identifiable Arabic-speaking social group” as the Midianites, an important Kushyte (i.e. Black) political entity that came into existence suddenly in the 13th century BC in northwest Arabia. This highly sophisticated culture spoke a language which is an archaic ancestor of modern Arabic. Further, observing that the earliest segments of Biblical Hebrew as a rule exhibit the highest percentage of Arabic cognates, Mendenhall affirms that the further back we go in time the closer Hebrew is to Arabic. Hebrew’s predecessor and source, the Canaanite language called Ugaritic, was also very similar to Arabic as revealed by recently discovered texts.

Documents excavated in Ras Shamra, a city in ancient Syria, by the Lattakia Department of Archeology show that ancient Ugaritic is very close to Arabic in grammar and vocabulary, with around 1,000 cognate terms. This closeness between Ugaritic/Canaanite and Arabic suggests that the ancient Proto-Canaanite and the ancient Proto-Arabic languages were close. This then raises the possibility that the ancient Canaanite language behind the Egypto-Semitic magic spells of King Unas’s pyramid was a Proto-Arabic language and thus reflect an Ancient Egyptian Arabic, not unlike that spoken by the Prophet Musa who was in Egypt around that time (ca. 2,000 BC)."

Bedouin man, Dimona, Israel.

“Haplogroup L2a1 was found in two specimens from the Southern Levant Pre-Pottery Neolithic B site at Tell Halula, Syria, dating from the period between ca. 9600 and ca. 8000 BP or 7500-6000 BCE”

(Fernández, E. et al., MtDNA analysis of ancient samples from Castellón (Spain): Diachronic variation and genetic relationships, International Congress Series, vol. 1288 (April 2006), pp. 127-129.)

Jericho, Arabic Arīḥā, town located in the West Bank. Jericho is one of the earliest continuous settlements in the world, dating perhaps from about 9000 BCE. Archaeological excavations have demonstrated Jericho’s lengthy history.

Jericho | Facts & History

“Populations for which the ancient Caucasus genomes are best ancestral approximations include those of the Southern Caucasus and interestingly, South and Central Asia. Western Europe tends to be a mix of early farmers and western/eastern hunter-gatherers while Middle Eastern genomes are described as a mix of early farmers and Africans.

[…]

Caucasus hunter-gatherer contribution to subsequent populations. We next explored the extent to which Bichon and CHG contributed to contemporary populations using outgroup f3(African; modern, ancient) statistics, which measure the shared genetic history between an ancient genome and a modern population since they diverged from an African outgroup.

Discussion

Given their geographic origin, it seems likely that CHG and EF are the descendants of early colonists from Africa who stopped south of the Caucasus, in an area stretching south to the Levant and possibly east towards Central and South Asia. WHG, on the other hand, are likely the descendants of a wave that expanded further into Europe. The separation of these populations is one that stretches back before the Holocene, as indicated by local continuity through the Late Palaeolithic/Mesolithic boundary and deep coalescence estimates, which date to around the LGM and earlier.”

(Jones, E. R., G. Gonzalez-Fortes, S. Connell, V. Siska, A. Eriksson, R. Martiniano, R. L. McLaughlin, et al. 2015., Upper Palaeolithic genomes reveal deep roots of modern Eurasians.)

Nature Communications 6 (1): 8912. doi:10.1038/ncomms9912. http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/ncomms9912.

The haplotypes for the Tomb of the Shroud individuals are commonly distributed throughout the North of Africa and the Middle East through to Eastern Europe.

[…]

A recent hypothesis [45] suggests that leprosy may have first appeared in the region not with Alexander but sometime earlier (circa 400 B.C.E or later), with diseased young slaves conveyed from India to Egypt on cargo ships. More recently a review of the origins and spread of leprosy has identified an East African origin with various routes of migration out of Africa into the Middle East and beyond [46].

(Carney D. Matheson et al.
Molecular Exploration of the First-Century Tomb of the Shroud in Akeldama, Jerusalem)

 

[MMS]

False, there is a way. But clearly you don't want to research and study it for yourself.

blessed is he who meditates on the words of the lord

 

[Ish Gibor]

more folks should learn about the backstories to the names

the ancient Canaanite religion is closer to what is found in the OT than people realize

El (deity) - Wikipedia
Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia



Ptahil (deity) - Wikipedia

Names of God in Judaism - Wikipedia

Spoiler: YHVH Tzevaot

Sabazios - Wikipedia

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 53 - King James Version


Yodh - Wikipedia

Russell Gmirkin explains something important at 23:13 about the invasions from the North by the Assyrians into the Northern kingdom of Israel. He tells that they took hostage (deported) with them the ruling class (educated people, priests etc), and brought in a new group from Babylonia. But shortly before that from 21:40, he expains the Assyrian and Greek influence on Deuteronomy 28 curses. They wrote themselves in that story with their already in existing culture of rituals with blessings and curses. This explains why the Lachish wrote a different type of Hebrew. This explains why the story of Moses is hypothetical and why there is no original Demotic or Lachish-Paleo-Hebrew writings of these older stories. Perhaps it was not even written by them in Demotic or Lachish-Paleo-Hebrew, but by Assyrian spies. However, it also explains why mistakes were made because the Assyrians didn't know the whole story. They on purpuse could have been duped as well. And perhaps for this reason there's an oral tradition next to the Babylonian Talmud. Different elements (books/ tablets) were put together, the way Fab Five Freddy put the elements of Hip Hop. They already existed, but he put them together as the pillars of Hip Hop. As people started to write themselves into this history.

Suspected is that we are misguided and are looking at this "new group" as indigenous or the "original Semites"? Basically we should look at them like "spies" who infiltrated the Kingdom of Israel and later Egypt, while posing as Semites.



And this is how they ended up in Egypt. It was basically a war strategy, the Trojan horse, which became the fall of Egypt. And this is how "Egypt got cursed" and with that it's people. Russell also gives an indirect example of Abra (Avra)/ Abrah who later became Abraham and the land of Ham.

It's a somewhat expensive book, but you can read "Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch" by Russell E. Gmirkin, on Goodreads.com. It's also on Google Reads.

There is some criticism to his work and instead of tip toeing he should have said that he is not familiar with Africana studies, instead of saying that there is no evidence of African influence into the Bible.

Russell Gmirkin - Wikipedia