Christian Brehs: (Humbly) Why would God make it so that people cannot accurately assess their own intelligence?

[MMS]

What narratives. The dead sea scrolls predate persian captivity.

Scholars generally agree that the Dead Sea Scrolls date from the third century BCE to the first century CE

persian captivity was earlier

Babylonian Captivity, the forced detention of Jews in Babylonia following the Neo-Babylonian Empire's conquest of the kingdom of Judah in 598/7 and 587/6 bce. The captivity formally ended in 538 bce, when the Persian conqueror of Babylonia, Cyrus the Great, gave the Jews permission to return to Palestine.

@Anhur this is why I said in another thread that Islam despite what people think about it did one thing and thats filter all of the christian narratives

Seven Sleepers - Wikipedia

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Surah Al-Kahf - 18 - Quran.com

And you would have thought they were awake, though they were asleep. We turned them over, to the right and left, while their dog stretched his foreleg...

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[Mowgli]

persian captivity was earlier



@Anhur this is why I said in another thread that Islam despite what people think about it did one thing and thats filter all of the christian narratives

Seven Sleepers - Wikipedia

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Surah Al-Kahf - 18 - Quran.com

And you would have thought they were awake, though they were asleep. We turned them over, to the right and left, while their dog stretched his foreleg...

quran.com

The biblical texts in the dead sea scrolls are dated 3bc.

The core tenants already existed brother.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

Christianity in Africa - Wikipedia

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"In the late 15th century, Portuguese traders and missionaries began arriving in West Africa, first in Guinea, Mauritania, the Gambia, Ghana, and Sierra Leone, then Nigeria and later in the Kingdom of Kongo, where they would find success in converting prominent local leaders to Catholicism."

Google Maps link: Elmina Castle, Ghana where enslaved Africans were kept under it’s Christian Church to be sold to the Americas

Black Christians will still play blind to these historical facts and evidence about our own history and do Olympic level mental gymnastics to cope, instead of acknowledging what they can see with their own eyes and actually PHYSICALLY touch with their own hands and feet today.

Ignoring the truth of our history like Massa wants.

Just like we descent from Central and West Africa,
but they’ll point to Ethiopia which is located in East Africa,
to insinuate that Christianity ain’t inherently colonial.

Like it wasn’t brought there to Ethiopia by a non-Black Phoenician Christian missionary from Lebanon.

Christianity

 

[MMS]

The biblical texts in the dead sea scrolls are dated 3bc.

The core tenants already existed brother.

yeah but you arent considering the other narrative there

greeks believed they were descended from a dead woman (hellas, the actual name for greece)

thats where they get the term Hellenes. The roman custom of crucifixion was not in place for the reasons you think.

Remember this core tenet: the covenant of God was through Abraham (Sarah was barren but Hagar could conceive) and the first page of Matthew explains the whole geneaology of Abraham and then gets to the "second" joseph and then implies the child does not descend from Abraham (and thats when the Angel appears to him in a dream to flee to Egypt). Thats why Matthew 2 is where they are trying to crucify Jesus not at the end of the gospels as it appears.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 1 - King James Version

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab...

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In the book of numbers the Angel of the Lord opposes Balaam (swallower of the people) because his way is perverse before him. Then reread what i posted earlier about the dog mentioned both in christian writings and the quran.

 

[Mowgli]

yeah but you arent considering the other narrative there

greeks believed they were descended from a dead woman (hellas, the actual name for greece)

thats where they get the term Hellenes. The roman custom of crucifixion was not in place for the reasons you think.

Remember this core tenet: the covenant of God was through Abraham (Sarah was barren but Hagar could conceive) and the first page of Matthew explains the whole geneaology of Abraham and then gets to the "second" joseph and then implies the child does not descend from Abraham (and thats when the Angel appears to him in a dream to flee to Egypt). Thats why Matthew 2 is where they are trying to crucify Jesus not at the end of the gospels as it appears.

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 1 - King James Version

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren; And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram; And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab...

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In the book of numbers the Angel of the Lord opposes Balaam (swallower of the people) because his way is perverse before him. Then reread what i posted earlier about the dog mentioned both in christian writings and the quran.

The Greeks might trace their name "Hellenes" back to a mythological ancestor named Hellen, but this has no connection to the Bible or Jewish history. Hellen was said to be the son of Deucalion and Pyrrha, not a dead woman.

Crucifixion was used by the Romans long before Jesus' time to punish criminals and rebels. It wasn't influenced by any Greek mythology.

The Bible says God's promise to Abraham involved Sarah having a child despite her barrenness, which shows God's power and faithfulness.

Matthew 1 lists Jesus ancestors to show his connection to David and Abraham. The miracle birth from Mary shows divine intervention a fulfilling of the prophecy of a virgin birth, not a break from Abraham’s line.

Matthew 2 talks about Herod’s attempt to kill baby Jesus, leading his family to flee to Egypt. This isn't about crucifixion but about escaping Herod’s massacre. Jesus crucifixion happens later, after his ministry, trial, and sentencing.

In Numbers 22, Balaam is stopped by an angel because he was going against God’s will. This story is about God's protection of Israel and has no connection to the genealogy or crucifixion

 

[Marks]

It's weird how thinking about thinking is one way to grow consciousness but kind of unhealthy or day to day living. Give it no thought @MMS

 

[The Fade]

Gotta remember that in these times God was synonymous with rulers on earth in some of these places and then the next ruler would be the next incarnation. The way the masses interpret are different from the way learned people do, same with music.

Or you can reason that God is the demiurge.

Either way, God will have to forgive me for seeking wisdom and knowledge because I see ignorance destroy this community every day and I refuse to let it kill me. Knowledge is to help bring out your uniqueness, not “to know everything”. Educe from the word Education

The love of ignorance is half the reason why we suffer. Suffering for knowledge is different and necessary as someone who went Crazy when I was pushing myself to be a better jazz musician

 

[MMS]

The Greeks might trace their name "Hellenes" back to a mythological ancestor named Hellen, but this has no connection to the Bible or Jewish history. Hellen was said to be the son of Deucalion and Pyrrha, not a dead woman.

Crucifixion was used by the Romans long before Jesus' time to punish criminals and rebels. It wasn't influenced by any Greek mythology.

The Bible says God's promise to Abraham involved Sarah having a child despite her barrenness, which shows God's power and faithfulness.

Matthew 1 lists Jesus ancestors to show his connection to David and Abraham. The miracle birth from Mary shows divine intervention a fulfilling of the prophecy of a virgin birth, not a break from Abraham’s line.

Matthew 2 talks about Herod’s attempt to kill baby Jesus, leading his family to flee to Egypt. This isn't about crucifixion but about escaping Herod’s massacre. Jesus crucifixion happens later, after his ministry, trial, and sentencing.

In Numbers 22, Balaam is stopped by an angel because he was going against God’s will. This story is about God's protection of Israel and has no connection to the genealogy or crucifixion

deucalion is not Helles father, its Hellen's father. Not the same character.

Phrixus and Helle were hated by their stepmother, Ino. She hatched a devious plot to get rid of the twins, roasting all of Boeotia's crop seeds so they would not grow. The local farmers, frightened of famine, asked a nearby oracle for assistance. Ino bribed the men sent to the oracle to lie and tell the others that the oracle required the sacrifice of Phrixus and Helle. Before they were killed, though, Phrixus and Helle were rescued by a flying, or swimming,[3] ram with golden wool sent by Nephele, their natural mother; their starting point is variously recorded as Halos in Thessaly and Orchomenus in Boeotia. During their flight Helle, for unknown reasons, fell off the ram and drowned in the strait between Europe and Asia, which was named after her the Hellespont, meaning the sea of Helle (now the Dardanelles); Phrixus survived all the way to Colchis, where King Aeëtes, the son of the sun god Helios, took him in and treated him kindly, giving Phrixus his daughter, Chalciope, in marriage. In gratitude, Phrixus sacrificed the ram to Poseidon and gave the king the Golden Fleece of the ram, which Aeëtes hung in a tree in the holy grove of Ares in his kingdom, guarded by a dragon that never slept.

For reasons unknown, Helle fell off the ram into the Hellespont (which was subsequently named after her) and either drowned or was rescued by Poseidon[1] and turned into a sea-goddess

reread Matthew 1

the greeks narratives are extremely treacherous because they mingled with animals

and it says that in Genesis 2 after God made Adam out of the dust of the ground, he sent animals to him to see what he would name them. All I'm saying is its not as straightforward as it appears.

Without Joseph and his power in dreams, people would really know problems.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 45 - King James Version

Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren. And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard. And Joseph said unto...

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[MMS]

It's weird how thinking about thinking is one way to grow consciousness but kind of unhealthy or day to day living. Give it no thought @MMS

you're not kidding

reading this seems to be applicable to this dialogue

Learchus - Wikipedia

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[null]

Very good question OP.

You don't know

What you don't know

self-referentiality seems to be a special class of concept.

it highlights (apparent) inconsistencies - maths, morals, this question.

i..e maths inconsistency and barbers.

turing machines and undecidability.

do morals extend beyond the system.

it offers elegant solutions.

it offers insights.

contemporary cultural touchstone: in dark matter (TV) we see that for the concept of the cube to work self-referentiality of the mind has to be removed.

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in this question the problem is defined in terms of the problem and its key insight is demonstrated by just opening up the question to discussion.

 

[Mowgli]

deucalion is not Helles father, its Hellen's father. Not the same character.





reread Matthew 1

the greeks narratives are extremely treacherous because they mingled with animals

and it says that in Genesis 2 after God made Adam out of the dust of the ground, he sent animals to him to see what he would name them. All I'm saying is its not as straightforward as it appears.

Without Joseph and his power in dreams, people would really know problems.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 45 - King James Version

Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried, Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren. And he wept aloud: and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard. And Joseph said unto...

www.biblegateway.com

While there may be thematic parallels, these come from common human experiences and questions rather than direct historical or literary connections. The direct origins, purposes, and contexts of Greek mythology and the Bible support the view that any perceived connections are interpretive rather than factual.