China’s Male Leaders Signal to Women That Their Place Is in the Home

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Not true. Look at Singapore, Japan and other rich asian nations. These are countries with strict social policies and regulations, low immigration. They have a completely different model than the west and it works for them
Bruh, Japan is going through the same problem as China and every other developed country. It’s actually worse in Japan because of their conservative ideals.
 

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Not true. Look at Singapore, Japan and other rich asian nations. These are countries with strict social policies and regulations, low immigration. They have a completely different model than the west and it works for them

both Singapore and japan are experiencing low birth rates and are increasingly relying on immigrants to shore up their labor force. :gucci:

singapore also has universal healthcare, subsidized housing and government vouchers for low-income residents,



1. Doubled GSTV – U-Save rebates to offset utility bills​

Together with the Assurance Package (AP) for GST, eligible Singaporean households residing in HDB flats who do not own or have any interest in more than one property will receive double their regular GST Voucher – U-Save rebates in FY2022 to further offset their utility bills. Theserebates will be directly disbursed into each HDB flat’s utilities account every quarter.

This amounts to about 8 to 10 months’ worth of utility bills for the average household living in 1- and 2-room HDB fats, and about 4 to 6 months’ worth of utility bills for those living in 3- and 4-room HDB flats.

In addition, on 21 June 2022, the Government announced that every Singaporean household living in a residential property in Singapore will be given a $100 Household Utilities Credit to help offset utilities bills. This will be disbursed by September 2022
HDB Flat Type April 2022 July 2022 October 2022 January 2023 Total GSTV U-Save for FY 2022
Regular U-SaveHSP U-Save Regular U-SaveHSP U-Save Regular U-SaveHSP U-Save Regular U-SaveHSP U-Save
1 – and 2 – Room$95 $95 $95$95 $95 $95 $95 $95 $760
3-Room $85 $85$85 $85 $85 $85$85 $85 $680
4-Room $75 $75 $75 $75 $75 $75 $75 $75 $600
5-Room $65$65 $65 $65 $65 $65 $65 $65 $520
Executive/Multi-Generation$55 $55 $55 $55$55 $55 $55 $55 $440
 
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This is the future of western countries as well - as the population continues to age due to low birth rates. Western countries have been using immigration as a substitute but as clash of civilisation rises due to the changes in racial/religious demographics & rise in ultra-nationalism - they will click the reset button.

Conservatism builds empires/civilisations while liberalism destroys them.
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:mjlol: too late. Can't turn back time. They adopted capitalism while calling themselves communists now they are suffering from their success. That old model don't work now. The real issue is the imbalance in male female population. For a supposed smart people how did they not see killing girls would come back to bite them? Seems obvious

not only aborting fetuses or female infanticide, foreigners adopted over 100,000 female chinese babies.
 

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Great move by China,and America needs to do the same. Morally and economically the family structure is what works best for all countries:respect:


I was going to ask how are we defining liberalism and conservatism here? Because it seems like everyone has a different definition.


Conduscive to building a family structure. Any examples of prosperous athiest countries?
 

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Great move by China,and America needs to do the same. Morally and economically the family structure is what works best for all countries:respect:





Conduscive to building a family structure. Any examples of prosperous athiest countries?

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I'm happy to help you with that. While there are no countries that are officially atheist, there are countries where a significant percentage of the population identifies as atheist or non-religious. According to a 2007 Cambridge University publication, China has the highest population of atheists in the world, with over 100 million people¹. In a 2017 poll by Gallup International and the Worldwide Independent Network of Market Research (WIN), China also had the highest percentage of atheists, with 91% of respondents identifying as "convinced atheists" ¹. Other countries with high percentages of atheists include Japan, Sweden, and the Czech Republic ¹².

It's worth noting that while atheism is not a religion, it is often protected by the same constitutional rights that protect religion ¹. Additionally, some studies have suggested that secular societies tend to fare better than religious societies on various indicators of well-being ⁴. However, it's important to remember that correlation does not imply causation, and that there are many factors that contribute to a country's prosperity.

I hope this information is helpful to you. Let me know if you have any other questions!

Source: Conversation with Bing, 11/3/2023
(1) Most Atheist Countries 2023 - World Population Review. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-atheist-countries.
(2) Demographics of atheism - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism.
(3) Secular Societies Fare Better Than Religious Societies. https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/...lar-societies-fare-better-religious-societies.
(4) List of countries by irreligion - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion.
 

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Wait, now China has a declining population? :mindblown: I thought they had the two child policy because it was too many Sinos?


China allows three children in major policy shift​

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It comes after a once-in-a-decade census showed that China's population grew at its slowest pace in decades

China has announced that it will allow couples to have up to three children, after census data showed a steep decline in birth rates.

China scrapped its decades-old one-child policy in 2016, replacing it with a two-child limit which has failed to lead to a sustained upsurge in births.

The cost of raising children in cities has deterred many Chinese couples.

The latest move was approved by President Xi Jinping at a meeting of top Communist Party officials.

It will come with "supportive measures, which will be conducive to improving our country's population structure, fulfilling the country's strategy of actively coping with an ageing population and maintaining the advantage, endowment of human resources", according to Xinhua news agency.

But human rights organisation Amnesty International said the policy, like its predecessors, was still a violation of sexual and reproductive rights.


"Governments have no business regulating how many children people have. Rather than 'optimising' its birth policy, China should instead respect people's life choices and end any invasive and punitive controls over people's family planning decisions," said the group's China team head, Joshua Rosenzweig.

Also, some experts were sceptical of the impact.

"If relaxing the birth policy was effective, the current two-child policy should have proven to be effective too," Hao Zhou, a senior economist at Commerzbank, told Reuters news agency.

"But who wants to have three kids? Young people could have two kids at most. The fundamental issue is living costs are too high and life pressures are too huge."
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Analysis box by Stephen McDonell, China correspondent

On a rainy, bleak day in Beijing I was out buying a coffee when the news broke.

People started looking down at their phones as they beeped and whirred with the headline flashing across their screens - China to allow couples to have three children.


This is big news in a country which didn't start suddenly producing more babies when the one-child policy eased off to two.

In fact, many are asking how a three-child policy might mean more children when the two-child version didn't and why birth restrictions have remained here at all given the demographic trend.

Very good questions.

One thought is that, among those prepared to have two children, at least some parents will have three.

However, I have interviewed many young Chinese couples about this subject and it is hard to find those who want bigger families these days.

Generations of Chinese people have lived without siblings and are used to small families - affluence has meant less need for multiple children to become family-supporting workers, and young professionals say they'd rather give one child more advantages than spread their income among several kids.

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What did the census say?​

The census, released this month, showed that around 12 million babies were born last year - a significant decrease from the 18 million in 2016, and the lowest number of births recorded since the 1960s.

The census was conducted in late 2020 - some seven million census takers had gone door to door to collect information from households.
Graph showing China's falling birth rate
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Given the sheer number of people surveyed, it is considered the most comprehensive resource on China's population, which is important for future planning.

It was widely expected after the census data results were released that China would relax its family policy rules.
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'Too many big pressures'​

By Kerry Allen, China Media Analyst

China's leading media are giving a lot of fanfare to the "three-child policy".

Newspaper People's Daily, broadcaster CCTV and news agency Xinhua are all posting happy cartoon images of children today on their social media pages and saying that the new policy has "arrived".

It is already the top talking point on popular social network Sina Weibo - posts mentioning the new policy have already racked up tens of thousands of views, and hundreds of thousands of comments.

More than 180,000 users have commented on Xinhua's upbeat post, and the ones with the most likes do not look upon the policy kindly.

"There are too many big pressures in life at the moment," one user says, "Young people are not willing to have kids."

Many talk about modern day "workplace dilemmas" for people leaving on maternity/paternity leave and there not being even "the most basic reproductive benefits".

And with a shrinking labour market, young Chinese people today accept that they have to work longer hours. Overtime and overwork are endemic.

More women meanwhile are choosing to pursue further education and employment, rather than settle down early to start a family.
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What were China's previous policies?​

The government's move in 2016 to allow couples to have two children failed to reverse the country's falling birth rate despite a two-year increase immediately afterwards.

Yue Su, principal economist from The Economist Intelligence Unit, said: "While the second-child policy had a positive impact on the birth rate, it proved short-term in nature."

China's population trends have over the years been largely shaped by the one-child policy, which was introduced in 1979 to slow population growth.

Families that violated the rules faced fines, loss of employment and sometimes forced abortions.

The one-child policy also led to a severe gender imbalance in the country. The traditional preference for male children led to large numbers of girls being abandoned or placed in orphanages, or cases of sex-selective abortions or even female infanticide.

"This poses problems for the marriage market, especially for men with less socioeconomic resources," Dr Mu Zheng, from the National University of Singapore's sociology department, said.
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Can China lift birth restrictions entirely?​

Ahead of China's latest census, experts had speculated that birth restrictions might be lifted entirely - though it appears as though China is treading cautiously.

But others said that such a move could potentially lead to "other problems" - pointing out the huge disparity between city dwellers and rural people.

As much as women living in expensive cities such as Beijing and Shanghai may wish to delay or avoid childbirth, those in the countryside are likely to still follow tradition and want large families, they say.

"If we free up policy, people in the countryside could be more willing to give birth than those in the cities, and there could be other problems," a policy insider had earlier told Reuters, noting that it could lead to poverty and employment pressures among rural families.

Experts had warned that any impact on China's population, such as a decline, could have a vast effect on other parts of the world.

Dr Yi Fuxian, a scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, said: "China's economy has grown very quickly, and many industries in the world rely on China. The scope of the impact of a population decline would be very wide."
 

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dunno about this.

Rome, persia, mughals, aztecs , etc were incredibly liberal for literally hundreds of years and they did it in complete peace and prosperity. Their demises occured hundreds of years after their pivot to liberalism due to external factors.


Also, in china's direct case ; their nation only turned around in the 1980s due to them abandoning 3 decades of useless conservatisim.
communism is conservatism now? :deadrose:
 

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When you have an impending demographic cliff from an aging population and aren't a immigration hotbed like the US, you will see desperate measures like this.

Not sure why conservatism is being brought up. CCP and American right wingers do not have the same underlying motives for wanting to spike birth rates.
 

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Great move by China,and America needs to do the same. Morally and economically the family structure is what works best for all countries:respect:





Conduscive to building a family structure. Any examples of prosperous athiest countries?
:mjlol:

Rapist always all up in women rights threads always pro regression. Go figure. Japan has the same culture and yet they are not growing but dying as a society because modern women are not about that life. So unless they are going to be chaining up women in the home women are not going back to not having money and just raising kids and doing chores. People like you live in a delusional state of mind
 

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Bruh, Japan is going through the same problem as China and every other developed country. It’s actually worse in Japan because of their conservative ideals.

Yall get on here and say anything :russ:

Japan's demographic cliff is the result of decades of stagflation via bad monetary policy which made it harder for Japanese people to build families while working.


The only thing you could even remotely say is "conservative" is East Asia's resistance to immigrants, but those countries were never going to be Europe or the US in that sense.
 
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What empires has conservatism built?

better yet, which ideology was behind the age of enlightenment and which one was behind the dark ages?

by all accounts a lot of great civilizations were more liberal than the ones that envied them and sought to conqueror and steal what they had. better living conditions left people without a thirst for war which made them more vulnerable to groups looking to take from them by force.
 

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both Singapore and japan are experiencing low birth rates and are increasingly relying on immigrants to shore up their labor force. :gucci:

singapore also has universal healthcare, subsidized housing and government vouchers for low-income residents,



1. Doubled GSTV – U-Save rebates to offset utility bills​

Together with the Assurance Package (AP) for GST, eligible Singaporean households residing in HDB flats who do not own or have any interest in more than one property will receive double their regular GST Voucher – U-Save rebates in FY2022 to further offset their utility bills. Theserebates will be directly disbursed into each HDB flat’s utilities account every quarter.

This amounts to about 8 to 10 months’ worth of utility bills for the average household living in 1- and 2-room HDB fats, and about 4 to 6 months’ worth of utility bills for those living in 3- and 4-room HDB flats.

In addition, on 21 June 2022, the Government announced that every Singaporean household living in a residential property in Singapore will be given a $100 Household Utilities Credit to help offset utilities bills. This will be disbursed by September 2022
HDB Flat Type April 2022July 2022October 2022January 2023Total GSTV U-Save for FY 2022
Regular U-SaveHSP U-SaveRegular U-SaveHSP U-SaveRegular U-SaveHSP U-Save Regular U-SaveHSP U-Save
1 – and 2 – Room$95$95$95$95$95$95$95$95$760
3-Room$85$85$85$85$85$85$85$85$680
4-Room $75$75$75$75$75$75$75$75$600
5-Room$65$65$65$65$65$65$65$65$520
Executive/Multi-Generation$55$55$55$55$55$55$55$55$440

I mentioned nothing about birth rates. The other poster said conservatism builds nations. Asian nations are ultra conservative. That’s a fact.Their Birth rates today are a separate issue and has nothing to do with what built these countries up to what they are today

Conservatism = strong family values, patriotism, belief in hard work
 
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