Domingo Halliburton
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$60 billion frauds.
there's no end to this bullshyt with China. this is why you have to be very careful investing in Chinese companies.
China Stocks Plunge Into Bear Market | Latest (8/24): "Black Monday"
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$60 billion frauds.
there's no end to this bullshyt with China. this is why you have to be very careful investing in Chinese companies.
European markets slide after China's 'Black Monday'FTSE and Dax plunge nearly 3% as global markets reel from worst day in Shanghai and Hong Kong since 2007
The Shanghai Composite Index slumped by nearly 9%, its biggest one-day drop since 2007. Photograph: Aly Song/Reuters
European stock markets tumbled after Chinese shares had their worst day since 2007 – adding to a stock market rout driven by fears about the world’s second-biggest economy.
The FTSE 100 plunged as much as 3% in early trading to 5,995 points, wiping more than £40bn off the index of leading UK shares. It was the first time the index had dropped below the 6,000 mark since early 2013, with all companies in the red, and followed a week of declines last week.
The biggest fallers were mining companies that rely on demand from Chinese manufacturers for their products. Anglo American, Glencore, Fresnillo and BHP Billiton all fell more than 5%.
Germany’s Dax index also fell 3%, dipping into bear market territory after losing 20% of its value since April. The French CAC index was down 2.7%.
European shares tumbled after turmoil returned to haunt the Chinese stock market on Monday. Shares plunged and the country’s benchmark stock index lost all its gains since the beginning of this year.
As the Shanghai Composite Index sank by nearly 9% - its biggest one-day drop since 2007 - Xinhua, Beijing’s official news agency, admitted China was facing a “Black Monday”.
By lunchtime, Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index had fallen by almost 5% and the Shenzhen Composite Index was down more than 7.5%. The Chinese rout sparked an Asia-wide selloff, with Taipei shares plunging nearly 7.5 %, their worst ever one-day drop.
“The private money is all trying to get out of the market and what is holding up the market is only the government intervention,” said Rajiv Biswas, the chief Asia economist for IHS Global Insight.
“We’ve seen a lot of volatility in the Shanghai market with big swings. But clearly this kind of fall is substantial. It is a big event when a market falls by that amount in one day.”
Fraser Howie, the co-author of Red Capitalism: The Fragile Financial Foundation of China’s Extraordinary Rise, said Beijing’s handling of the stock market calamity raised real questions about the leadership of president Xi Jinping and the prime minister, Li Keqiang.
“I think there is now growing realisation – domestically and offshore - that the Chinese leadership are not in control of the situation. Not only are they not in control of it, they don’t even seem to grasp the problems at times,” he said.
“The real casualty over the summer is the government’s credibility. When you look at the stock market intervention, when you look at the FX botch as I would call it a couple of weeks ago, and then you look at the Tianjin blasts, you see a government that is most certainly not in control. You look at this and it sends a very poor picture about China’s competency at the leadership level. Who else is responsible here? Xi Jinping seems invisible.”
“There are no short-term fixes for what China is going through,” Howie added. “This is ultimately a painful unwinding of imbalances and leverage in the system and those processes are always tough and sore. It’s a bit like saying what’s a quick solution to my hangover? And that is exactly where China is at the moment. There are no quick solutions.”
Bernard Aw, a market analyst from IG in Singapore, said, “The risk sentiment is really on the verge of panic which is why we are seeing plenty of red screens. The Chinese stock market fell really spectacularly.”
Alex Kwok, an analyst at China Investment Securities in Hong Kong, told Channel News Asia: “This is already a small-scale stock market disaster. Any rebound, if there is any, could be just technical.”
China’s Communist party leaders have launched an unprecedented push to prop up shares since June, injecting trillions of dollars into the stock market and setting up a market “stabilisation” fund.
But yet another day of stock market chaos suggests investors have little faith in such measures and the wider prospects of the Chinese economy. Shanghai’s Composite Index has now lost more than 35% of its value since June.
Biswas, from IHS Global Insight, said the dramatic events of Black Monday underlined how Beijing’s response to the continuing crisis had been timid and inadequate.
“It has been piecemeal efforts through the course of the year with several small cuts in interest rates and some fiscal stimulus measures scattered around in recent months,” he said. “But you haven’t seen any decisive action and there is no sense of determination coming out of policy makers that they want to turn the economy around.
“What would need to be seen to be convincing is substantial further monetary policy easing. They don’t have an inflation problem right now, therefore there is a lot of room to cut rates further and to use monetary policy stimulus – like cutting policy rates and by cutting the reserve requirement ratio – combined with fiscal policy stimulus measures.
“I think if they use a combination of those and also back that up with leadership at the economic policy level – by giving a convincing delivery of a stimulus package – then that might help to reassure not only Chinese domestic markets but also global markets, because increasingly the global outlook has been starting to deteriorate because of what is happening in China.”
In a research note UBS analysts warned: “Worries that the world economy is losing momentum caused many investors to seek safety in government bonds and money markets. Investors should brace for further volatility.”
The latest rout came just a day after Beijing announced it would allow pension funds to invest in the stock market with immediate effect. The move was widely seen as an attempt to divert billions of dollars into the market to shore up prices.
China’s state-run media has repeatedly vowed that the country’s leaders will not allow such huge losses to continue.
“In the future the market will not fall off a cliff,” an editorial in the Shanghai Securities Daily said last month. “The government will not allow such a situation to happen again.”
The Chinese president, Xi Jinping, has attempted to put a brave face on the economic situation. “We should be confident that economic growth still enjoys promising prospects,” he told officials in north-east China last month.
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Yet in the wake of a slew of poor economic data in recent weeks , Biswas said there were “no particularly strong fundamentals that would support any recovery in the stock market”.
“Where [we go from] here will be very much dependent on what the government can do with the real economy,” he said.
“The rout in the market was temporarily stopped [by government intervention] but there are limits to how much you can prop up the market indefinitely. We are just seeing that unfold now. The bubble has burst and the private money is flowing out of the market.”
Aw, from IG, said he expected losses to continue: “I think the sell-down is probably going to continue for the next few sessions.”
@Domingo Halliburton, how bad are things ? 
Domingo Halliburton
Handmade in USA
@Domingo Halliburton, how bad are things ?
I know asia was terrible overnight. But the markets here are coming off their lows. I still think this is quite an overreaction. Still this is the biggest drop I've seen. I didn't follow as much in 2008.
This has nothing on 08 but its gonna be a long week.
900 points before brunch was 2008, only rebound before 5:30 to -700.
The October ones were insane because of how beat the market already was
Domingo Halliburton
Handmade in USA
This has nothing on 08 but its gonna be a long week.
900 points before brunch was 2008, only rebound before 5:30 to -700.
The October ones were insane because of how beat the market already was
Dow moved down 900 points today. Open was at 16,459.
. Not even going to look at my 401k. Not too worried about the corrections though
900 points today is like 5% as compared to 11% in 2008.
Domingo Halliburton
Handmade in USA
true.
Been waiting for this... time to stop talking and get active. Opening a brokerage account this week
Ed MOTHEREFFING G
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this really could be rippling though. Take a look at the chart I showed you above.
today MIGHT be 9/29/2008. the market is 10365. by 12/1 its 8149.
sure things are 'on sale' as compared to last week but be careful before diving into a pool thats not as deep as you may think
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Oh Im not jumping in now, just priming myself. shyt like this makes good stocks cheap, and I dont see this wiping out companies like Google or w/e. I'm looking long term, just wanted the right entry point and it looks like this might be it.
Should have bought gold from Glenn Back brehs.