China just out here copying everything ...now the F-22

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We all taking the trainings pal.

If your conpany is global and u have a sales department going overseas for business they are going to need access to the network in the states at some point to do work. You think everyone going overseas disconnects conpletly until they return? They aint.

Even if you don't save data to your device, if you have the ability to access it overseas you can get that ass hacked and easily create unintentional export violations
Like i said not without authorization and even then it's under strict supervision. Certain things they will not share with client. You dont share your freakin code with clients for your software. Might share the fukking API. What the fukk does a sales agent need with blueprints with specifics that can let someone reverse engineer the shyt?
Sales Engineers? You fukking kidding me :hhh:
Sales? Really? Sales Engineer have details to share with engineers that will operate and implement the technology. Not accurate details that a freaking designer/developer can use. They'll have details on what it does and how does it but not actual design material so someone can copy their laptop and recreate the product.
Child please. :childplease:
 
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Like i said not without authorization and even then it's under strict supervision. Certain things they will not share with client. You dont share your freakin code with clients for your software. Might share the fukking API. What the fukk does a sales agent need with blueprints with specifics that can let someone reverse engineer the shyt?
You fukking kidding me :hhh:
Sales? Really? Sales Engineer have details to share with engineers that will operate and implement the technology. Not accurate details that a freaking designer/developer can use. They'll have details on what it does and how does it but not actual design material so someone can copy their laptop and recreate the product.
Child please. :childplease:

dude is trying to compare practices between two industries that are completely unrelated...
 

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dude is trying to compare practices between two industries that are completely unrelated...
I know right.

Like GE makes the engines for those fighters. I'm guessing a sales engineer will have a fairly limited amount of information and can mostly provide information as to the engine's capabilities. Not actual techniques used to the point where someone can copy and build the shyt themselves.

I used to work for a vendor that sold Messaging servers and media servers to almost all the companies around the world. Basically if you've ever made a 3-way call using your phone company's 3-way calling feature in North America, there's a 50% chance that myself or one of m team members touched it between 2010 and 2017.

I would sometimes travel with the Sales Engineers when they make their pitches for new-installs and upgrades and expansions. Our team All over the world from Costa Rica (ICE) to Bahamas (BahTel and Cable Bahamas) to Poland (Vectra) to Sweden (Comhem) to UK (Cisco/British Telecom) to Brazil (Telefonica) to Canada (Telus and AllStream) to Australia (Optus) and the list goes on and on.

Them cat have enough details to share with the planners and the support teams that will support the product and APIs for their developers to interact with the product. PERIOD. No freakin sale engineer should ever have actual design/code to a product.
 

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Fun fact...

Last air to air combat kill by U.S. was in.......wait for it................












1999 in Kosovo :gladbron:
It's mostly Israel that's gonna test these weapons for them against ill equipped opponents like Lebanon. U.S. will use the reports from their performances and adjust accordingly infuture upgrades.
Russia is doing the same in Syria testing its SU34's ground attack capabilities to encourage sales. Damn shame how these super powers use instabilities in other countries to test their new toys.

The F-15 owes its reputation of having the best kill ratio in the world to Israel's wars against its neighbors. Most kills by F-15s flowns by americans have come from the Gulf war when Saddam's pilots were just merely flying to flee into Iran and that's mostly because they were flying blind as the US and France had already killed all of Iraq's radars and they had no idea where the F-15s were coming from.

The U.S. doesnt wanna risk its reputation and the reputation of these stealth weapons against certain opponents thus why stealth is mostly used for spying these days and any kind of air-to-ground attack is usually done with drones and cruise missiles. It's easy to flex against North Korea when all they have are 70s versions of Russian Mig25s which havent been upgraded in over 40 years.
 
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It's mostly Israel that's gonna test these weapons for them against ill equipped opponents like Lebanon. They'll use the reports from their performances and adjust accordingly. Russia is doing the same in Syria. Damn shame how these super powers use instabilities in other countries to test their new toys.

The F-15 owes its reputation of having the best kill ratio in the world to Israel's wars against its neighbors. Most kills by F-15s flowns by americans have come from the Gulf war when Saddam's pilots were just merely flying to flee into Iran and that's mostly because they were flying blind as the US and France had already killed all of Iraq's radars and they had no idea where the F-15s were coming from.

The U.S. doesnt wanna risk its reputation and the reputation of these stealth weapons against certain opponents thus why stealth is mostly used for spying these days and any kind of air-to-ground attack is usually done with drones and cruise missiles. It's easy to flex against North Korea when all they have are 70s versions of Russian Mig25s which havent been upgraded in over 40 years.

yup. it's just hilarious to me how much money is dumped into programs trying to perfect machinery to fight an increasingly obsolete form of warfare....

i wonder how much of the limitations that fighter jet designers face in the development process is directly related to compromises that must be made due to having a human pilot. for instance, maneuverability/speed is related to how much stress that human body can take. just make all fighters remotely controlled and you avoid that issue.
 

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yup. it's just hilarious to me how much money is dumped into programs trying to perfect machinery to fight an increasingly obsolete form of warfare....

i wonder how much of the limitations that fighter jet designers face in the development process is directly related to compromises that must be made due to having a human pilot. for instance, maneuverability/speed is related to how much stress that human body can take. just make all fighters remotely controlled and you avoid that issue.
Good that you brought that up.

The challenge these days is this: While not having human pilots would free up other aspects of air warfare the new challenge is being able to keep these flying war machines from being hijacked by your enemy. A lot of hackers are now turning their attention to intercepting and taking over droves.
  • The U.S. already lost a spy RQ70 over Iran in 2008 and have since stopped flying spy drones over Iran because they know the Iranians have found a way to intercept the drones and take over control. The Pentagon claims they simply "lost control of the drone". Iran claims they took over control and were able to land the drone at one of their bases. They had since shown pictures and videos of the US drone with no damage so it's obvious they were able to control it enough to land it safely because common sense says an aicraft that is not controlled will either run out of gas and crash or just crash, period.President Obama asked them to return it and they told him to kick rocks. Rumor is Iran has since allowed Russian and Chinese developers to examine the drone's technology. They also claim they have been able to reverse engineer it themselves but noone believes it. It's detailed in the following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–U.S._RQ-170_incident
  • THe U.S., just last month lost some of their new JASSM cruise missiles in Syria during that strike that was all over the news. U.S. officials claim that many of the cruise missiles simply missed their targets and didnt explode. Rumor is that some technology was used to take over control of those cruise missiles and land them in the desert where the Syrian army recovered them. Many were Tomahawk cruise missiles and others were the new JASSM cruise missiles. It's been confirmed that two of them were intact enough for them to take and handed them over to Russia. Apparently the two were the new JASSM models. Russia will use them to not only see how their targetting system works and counter it but also to perhaps use some of the technology to improve where their own cruise missile technology may lack. Syria hands unexploded US cruise missiles to Russia
THis is what happens when you remove the human pilot. I studied electrical engineering in College and one of the first things i was taught in our RF class is that any RF signal can be overpowered with a stronger signal with the same signature it's just a matter of encrypting the signal correctly. Imagine if random hackers can hack into some radio signal and start hacking drones and missiles and stockpiling them somehwere

US RQ-70 drone captured by Iran

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JASSM lost in strike in Syria

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Like i said not without authorization and even then it's under strict supervision. Certain things they will not share with client. You dont share your freakin code with clients for your software. Might share the fukking API. What the fukk does a sales agent need with blueprints with specifics that can let someone reverse engineer the shyt?
Sales Engineers? You fukking kidding me :hhh:
Sales? Really? Sales Engineer have details to share with engineers that will operate and implement the technology. Not accurate details that a freaking designer/developer can use. They'll have details on what it does and how does it but not actual design material so someone can copy their laptop and recreate the product.
Child please. :childplease:


If your laptop is encrypted, and youre traveling to a country not on any flagged lists you can get an export license for controlled data and u can travel with data that is considered sensitive.

You're just trusted to do your due diligence and make sure your device is under your control at all times.

The government doesnt say you cant, they just advise you do not.

You'e talking about an internal policy not what ur government mandates.

I say all that to say you can get your shyt hack hacked easily
 

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If your laptop is encrypted, and youre traveling to a country not on any flagged lists you can get an export license for controlled data and u can travel with data that is considered sensitive.

You're just trusted to do your due diligence and make sure your device is under your control at all times.

The government doesnt say you cant, they just advise you do not.

You'e talking about an internal policy not what ur government mandates.

I say all that to say you can get your shyt hack hacked easily
Sales team dont have those kinds of design details, breh. And no company with a security team worth its salt will allow their top engineers to be accessing design files for an entire aircraft to be accessed remotely without extreme amount of supervision.

Besides Each engineer work on their part of the product not the entire thing. Homeland security , NSA and the CIA knows who these engineers are and they are monitored to the point they may know the subject's actual surroundings better than the actual subject himself would.
 

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THe bolded isnt correct

The SU-57 is not a copy of the F22 by any means. It ha very different design objectives than the F-22.

The F-22 was designed to be an air superiority fighter with major emphasis on being stealthy at all cost. Thus why it' so expensive that even the U.S. AirForce couldnt afford to order more after barely buying 1/5th of what they had planned.

The Russian saw this and found a way to make a SOMEWHAT stealthy fighter with emphasis on super-maneuverability. Most experts will tell you that the SU-57 is not stealthy at all due to it's cross-section near the fuselage or at least nowhere near as stealthy as the J-20 or F-22 however it will outmaneuver all of them. See pic below how the intakes are positioned in a way radar beams can reflect on them. Compare that to the bottom of the J20, F22 or F35 and you'll see the difference

SU-57 Fuselage
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Russia is essentialy betting that newer radar technology will eventually catch up to the stealth technology that was used for the Chinese J-20, American F-22 and F-35. And truth is... they are probably right. IRST technology is what the US and all other countries are using to fight against stealth aircrafts and the technology is getting better every day. Chinese and American scientists have also been claiming to have found new ways to detect stealth aircrafts. This may render the the F-35 almost useless because if you recall even the Pentagon says "the F-35 cannot fight by itself".

The SU-57 focuses on IRST and combat technique called beaming to confuse the radar rather than evade it completely.

SU-57 IRST pods for beaming
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Besides, all that stealth of the J-20, F-117, F-22 and F-35 only works when they are coming towards the signal source head-on. Various combat techniques can be used to counter that. THus why the U.S. came up with the Growler program using old F-18s and newer F-18s to seek and destroy these radar configuration techniques to allow their stealth fighters to exploit the vulnerable targets' radar 1-on-1 which is what it's build to exploit.

But in the end American avionics has always been superior to Russian avionics while Russians have always made the more maneuverable fighters. And in this age of technology you need your tech to be on point. The F-35 has the best avionics out there right now even tho it's a sitting duck in an air-to-air fight. The F-22 is the best fighter (in service) but it's avionics dates back to the late 90s and need to be brought up to date to that of the F-35 and SU-57. The Pentagon has been struggling with money because the United States are over extending themselves + the expensive mess that is the F-35 program is gobbling up all the money.

Good luck with all that
I was exaggerating on the first point. I agree with you on some of this and strongly disagree on other parts. Might answer in long form later.
 

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Sales team dont have those kinds of design details, breh. And no company with a security team worth its salt will allow their top engineers to be accessing design files for an entire aircraft to be accessed remotely without extreme amount of supervision.

Besides Each engineer work on their part of the product not the entire thing. Homeland security , NSA and the CIA knows who these engineers are and they are monitored to the point they may know the subject's actual surroundings better than the actual subject himself would.
Lol.

Ok.

And not every company has an elite security team who vet data at a high level. Its happening.

Maybe that's how it work where you are but its a reality for companies that have government contracts and may be new to adapting to these regulations.

Laptops with controlled data get lost overseas every day b

Companies are getting fined every day b

Laptops are getting hacked every day overseas b.

Companies are getting legal licenses to travel overseas with controlled data every day b.

Government confiscates devices coming back into the country every day be. They may have a paper trail but that's not prevention
 

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Lol.

Ok.

And not every company has an elite security team who vet data at a high level. Its happening.

Maybe that's how it work where you are but its a reality for companies that have government contracts and may be new to adapting to these regulations.

Laptops with controlled data get lost overseas every day b

Companies are getting fined every day b

Laptops are getting hacked every day overseas b.

Companies are getting legal licenses to travel overseas with controlled data every day b.

Government confiscates devices coming back into the country every day be. They may have a paper trail but that's not prevention
Maybe im naive but d like to think the US isnt letting its defense contractors working on top secret projects involving national security slack off on their own data security. I know they get fined for minor infractions but i like to think that if they do shot that puts the US at risk they are bound to get their contract revoked.
 

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THis is what happens when you remove the human pilot. I studied electrical engineering in College and one of the first things i was taught in our RF class is that any RF signal can be overpowered with a stronger signal with the same signature it's just a matter of encrypting the signal correctly. Imagine if random hackers can hack into some radio signal and start hacking drones and missiles and stockpiling them somehwere

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Bet he can't be hacked...

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Bet he can't be hacked...

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I just think the US got sloppy with these cruise missiles. They should have had a self-destruct rule should the missile have landed without exploding on its target.

I bet the Syrian army saw all them unexploded tmissiles like
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And then Russian realized some of them were the new JASSM missiles and was like :whoo: and
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U.S., France, UK looking at the whole situation like
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And China looking at the situation from afar and calling Russia for a copy like
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