China just out here copying everything ...now the F-22

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They don't have time to be developing testing and improving new ideas when they can simply cut and paste and then improve existing technology in preparation for battle with the white man
They are a good 20 years behind us but...the rate at which they are improving is ridiculous.

The Russians can still make a good jet and are the OGs of the copying shyt(see the Su-57 aka the Raptorski :mjlol:)...
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...but they don't have enough money to make them in numbers that actually matter.


China, however, does. They've been buying, deconstructing, then rebuilding the newer Russian planes for years and now they are moving out into their own lane. Their new fighter has some stealth features and looks to be fairly advanced but again, China is really in its infancy when it comes to aviation IMO. We'll see if they really about it 20 years from now.

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As far as stealth goes, the F-22 came out 20 years ago and is still leagues ahead in that category. Everyone else is copying by espionage, eyesight and pictures right now.
 
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Copying helps China to catch up. No need to reinvent the wheel ya know.


They can innovate once their caught up.
 

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F-22, F-35, various Russian jets...China doesn't give two shyts. They're just getting started too.
The russian jets they copied were the SU-30 which they had received license/permission from Russia to produce. What they did to the avionics is what Russia disputes wasnt part of the deal thus why Russia terminated the contract
 
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They are a good 20 years behind us but...the rate at which they are improving is ridiculous.

The Russians can still make a good jet and are the OGs of the copying shyt(see the Su-57 aka the Raptorski :mjlol:)...
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...but they don't have enough money to make them in numbers that actually matter.


China, however, does. They've been buying, deconstructing, then rebuilding the newer Russian planes for years and now they are moving out into their own lane. Their new fighter has some stealth features and looks to be fairly advanced but again, China is really in its infancy when it comes to aviation IMO. We'll see if they really about it 20 years from now.

j-20a_3.jpg



As far as stealth goes, the F-22 came out 20 years ago and is still leagues ahead in that category. Everyone else is copying by espionage, eyesight and pictures right now.
THe bolded isnt correct

The SU-57 is not a copy of the F22 by any means. It ha very different design objectives than the F-22.

The F-22 was designed to be an air superiority fighter with major emphasis on being stealthy at all cost. Thus why it' so expensive that even the U.S. AirForce couldnt afford to order more after barely buying 1/5th of what they had planned.

The Russian saw this and found a way to make a SOMEWHAT stealthy fighter with emphasis on super-maneuverability. Most experts will tell you that the SU-57 is not stealthy at all due to it's cross-section near the fuselage or at least nowhere near as stealthy as the J-20 or F-22 however it will outmaneuver all of them. See pic below how the intakes are positioned in a way radar beams can reflect on them. Compare that to the bottom of the J20, F22 or F35 and you'll see the difference

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Russia is essentialy betting that newer radar technology will eventually catch up to the stealth technology that was used for the Chinese J-20, American F-22 and F-35. And truth is... they are probably right. IRST technology is what the US and all other countries are using to fight against stealth aircrafts and the technology is getting better every day. Chinese and American scientists have also been claiming to have found new ways to detect stealth aircrafts. This may render the the F-35 almost useless because if you recall even the Pentagon says "the F-35 cannot fight by itself".

The SU-57 focuses on IRST and combat technique called beaming to confuse the radar rather than evade it completely.

SU-57 IRST pods for beaming
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Besides, all that stealth of the J-20, F-117, F-22 and F-35 only works when they are coming towards the signal source head-on. Various combat techniques can be used to counter that. THus why the U.S. came up with the Growler program using old F-18s and newer F-18s to seek and destroy these radar configuration techniques to allow their stealth fighters to exploit the vulnerable targets' radar 1-on-1 which is what it's build to exploit.

But in the end American avionics has always been superior to Russian avionics while Russians have always made the more maneuverable fighters. And in this age of technology you need your tech to be on point. The F-35 has the best avionics out there right now even tho it's a sitting duck in an air-to-air fight. The F-22 is the best fighter (in service) but it's avionics dates back to the late 90s and need to be brought up to date to that of the F-35 and SU-57. The Pentagon has been struggling with money because the United States are over extending themselves + the expensive mess that is the F-35 program is gobbling up all the money.

Good luck with all that
 
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Don't help that us companies with important tech are probably just giving them the blueprints keeping the data on devices when they travel.

Getting that ass hacked
Not true at all

Most tech companies restrict their employees from traveling with company/work computers unless they are traveling for work. It's all part of every company's "Export control" policy. I work for GE which makes the engines for most of these fighters. I cannot take my laptop with me outside the country unless specifically authorized to.

When these hacks happen they happen against the defense contractor/vendor's infrastructure. Noone is gonna let their engineers have access to "blueprint" on their laptops like that. My boy works for Lockheed Martin (maker of F-22 and F-35) and he's restricted to what he can access remotely. It's all stored in their onsite servers.
 

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Look at it this way, breh. :smugdraper:

The United States had to copy all of Germany's V2 program to get their own ballistic missile program off the ground. And they basically kidnapped all the german engineers from the Messerschmitt ME 262 program to get the U.S.' s Fighter Jet programs into gear thus the domination of air power since the 1950s.
Beat ya chest all you want, aint no one trying to reinvent the wheel. :manny:
 

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Not true at all

Most tech companies restrict their employees from traveling with company/work computers unless they are traveling for work. It's all part of every company's "Export control" policy. I work for GE which makes the engines for most of these fighters. I cannot take my laptop with me outside the country unless specifically authorized to.

When these hacks happen they happen against the defense contractor/vendor's infrastructure. Noone is gonna let their engineers have access to "blueprint" on their laptops like that. My boy works for Lockheed Martin (maker of F-22 and F-35) and he's restricted to what he can access remotely. It's all stored in their onsite servers.
Export is you having data On Your machine physically and leaving the country with it on your device.

You can leave with a clean device yet, You can still get over there, access webmail or a vpn and create violations if you really felt like it.

You aren't completely disconnected or restricted.

But hopefully at the least ur being logged.
 

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Export is you having data On Your machine physically.

You can still get over there, access webmail or a vpn and create violations if you really felt like it.

You aren't completely disconnected or restricted.

But hopefully at the least ur being logged.
NO

Due to export control rules I cant even have certain people from my team in a Skype meeting. THAT IS FACT. I have to take fukking export control training every quarter. Trust me on this one

If you want i can show you a screenshot of a simple email from a coworker of mine for a meeting of a simple SMTP server migration we were doing in which in the INVITE to the meeting it says "Non EC Do not accept" just to give you an example.

It's often the servers that get hacked. But dont get it twisted american hackers do their share of hacking foreign industries too so i dont see why americans always complain about hacking frm China and Russia. "You were in on the heist. You just didnt like your cut"
 

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Due to export control rules I cant even have certain people from my team in a Skype meeting. THAT IS FACT. I have to take fukking export control training every quarter. Trust me on this one
We all taking the trainings pal.

If your conpany is global and u have a sales department going overseas for business they are going to need access to the network in the states at some point to do work. You think everyone going overseas disconnects conpletly until they return? They aint.

Even if you don't save data to your device, if you have the ability to access it overseas you can get that ass hacked and easily create unintentional export violations
 
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