Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson Throws Selective Enrollment Schools in the Bushes

[mattw1313]

Don’t you dare use the opinions of experts as to why this is bad

Why would I engage someone who doesn’t think the opinions of the people who know best matter. FOH

teachers union = experts? and people who know best?


by that logic, should we listen to police unions when they put out statements after shootings and beatings?
















...idiot

 

[Sterling Archer]

This nikka is terrible. You won't hear me say she about him around other folks but when I'm around black people, we are shytting on dude. He is a cornball. Just as bad as Lori but even less competent.

 

[Rice N Beans]

I was lucky with selective enrollment and got away from Clemente. Can't agree with getting rid of the opportunity outright. Almost 80% picked somewhere other than the local? Seems like a popular process.

 

[KFBF]

A college kid going to school to be a teacher and paying back student loans is not it.

They do have the pslf program but that's low-key broken. Maybe for the time you're a teacher you don't have to make a paymeny but if you stop the payments start again and you can have them waived outright after 5-8 years.


Re: thread

They need to address why people don't want to attend local schools before they do this. They're going to be sabotaging a lot of young brehs and brehettes.

 

[GoldenGlove]

IMO, we/they need to go back to first principles.

What is k-12 truly trying to accomplish?

Folks are not engaging with the ultimate purpose of school, which is why they just tweak things like teacher's pay, new math, whole language vs phonics, AP African American history, etc.

They don't want to deal with reality.

Why can't Keisha read at grade level?
Why can't Jamal do basic 8th grade algebra in the 12th grade?

But back to ending selective schooling - taking the good and smart kids out of terrible schools, and letting them learn next to one another

Why are the schools they're leaving so bad? We should start there.

*We should ask ourselves a bigger question. All these Asian and European countries do so well with academics, how come they aren't rich, as rich as the US (per capita) ?

Most public education systems have very much lost the plot. A lot of folks don't realize what education is truly valuable until after they start looking for a job while trying to pay college loans... That level of conversation needs to be had in order to realign pre-k/k-12.

Folks are not ready to think past the basic K-12 framework.

I agree with everything you're saying.

Climate/Culture is down for many schools across the Nation. There is a retention crisis happening right now. Salary is important but it's not the only determining factor as to why teachers get burned out and just leave Education within 5 years of starting their careers.

I'm looking at it holistically. Like, you're saying we need to rethink public education entirely. A part of that IMO is valuing teachers and incentivizing people to see it as a viable career path at a younger age. There needs to be more programs for kids in HS to get certified then so they can get experience with elementary kids sooner. Develop a pipeline for future educators. Break down the process because it's failing etc.

I guess, from my POV, teaching is just not attractive to a lot of people. I do think that a society where teachers' salaries rivaled those in tech/consulting and other industries would bold well to pushing more college kids in that direction. Right now, it's truly a passion job because in most cases you're not going to be making substantial money until you put some time in.

As far as your questions around getting to the core about what the point of K-12 is for, you're spot on. With how generative AI is advancing, the workforce and labor as a hole will be dramatically different in 5-10 years. I asked my nieces who are in HS now, one's a senior the other is a junior about ChatGPT, one never heard of it, and the other was like, "Yeah my teachers said if they find out we used it for work, we could get expelled"... shyt like that is crazy, because here I am, with a career in IT and her aunt with a career in Utilities and we use generative AI all the time... Yet some schools don't want kids using it at all.

I honestly think there needs to be a pivot to steering kids back into learning hard skills and trades. Kids coming out of HS should have multiple certifications in whatever industry they are looking to go into. There's so much to unpack with this discussion frfr

 

[GoldenGlove]

They do have the pslf program but that's low-key broken. Maybe for the time you're a teacher you don't have to make a paymeny but if you stop the payments start again and you can have them waived outright after 5-8 years.


Re: thread

They need to address why people don't want to attend local schools before they do this. They're going to be sabotaging a lot of young brehs and brehettes.

The pipeline needs to start before college IMO. I went to some education conferences this year and that's one thing that I took away. Some states have programs where they work with local colleges to have teaching programs setup for incoming students when they're in HS to get experience in elementary school. This creates a pathway for young people to get into education, without even getting in debt and start their career while in HS.

 

[WIA20XX]

I agree with everything you're saying.

Climate/Culture is down for many schools across the Nation. There is a retention crisis happening right now. Salary is important but it's not the only determining factor as to why teachers get burned out and just leave Education within 5 years of starting their careers.

I'm looking at it holistically. Like, you're saying we need to rethink public education entirely. A part of that IMO is valuing teachers and incentivizing people to see it as a viable career path at a younger age. There needs to be more programs for kids in HS to get certified then so they can get experience with elementary kids sooner. Develop a pipeline for future educators. Break down the process because it's failing etc.

I guess, from my POV, teaching is just not attractive to a lot of people. I do think that a society where teachers' salaries rivaled those in tech/consulting and other industries would bold well to pushing more college kids in that direction. Right now, it's truly a passion job because in most cases you're not going to be making substantial money until you put some time in.

And while you're focused on teachers, teaching conditions, and teacher pay - I'm focused on what's the point of putting Black Children though this function of the state when the boys often end up under educated, many of which are funneled into the prison pipeline.

What's worse than the crash outs are the young brothers who get a diploma but have no real way to make a living for themselves.
Indeed, it's pretty common for the Black kids who do well in school to go to college, take out loans, and then can't make back the loan money, or are saddled by loans for decades.

I'll iterate this again - throwing more money at a bad system is not improving outcomes.

What happens if you pay kids to read? (Black economics professor from Harvard)

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/financial_incentives_and_student_achievement_evidence_from_randomized_trials.pdf

The answer is not much.

• We've seen districts get more money (Kansas city court cases, Zuckerberg in NJ)
• We've seen specific schools get more money
• We've seen performance bonuses for teachers (DC)
• We've seen the new math (everywhere)
• We've seen whole language and no more phonics (everywhere)
• We've seen "flip the classroom" learn on your own (Khan Academy and those people)
• We've seen "Montessori" (b*stardized system from some Italian chick)
• We've seen African centered education (1970's NYC)
• We've seen NYC billionaires fund Harlem's Children Zone (no one talks about this)
• We've seen zero tolerance/get tough (Joe Clark got fired, generally doesn't work)
• We've seen school uniforms (everywhere, doesn't work)
• We've seen send your black kids to white public schools on a bus (too many to name)
• We've seen send your black kids to white private schools with a voucher (failed, don't have the study on hand)
• We've seen send your black kids to a for-profit school in your neighborhood (charter schoolsl, see Michigan)
• We've seen bring your device (Happened pre-covid, really bad before)
• We've see teach your own damn kids (Covid, set students back 3-4 years - all kids, all races, all economic backgrounds - so on the plus side teaching does something)
• We've seen keep your device in your locker (starting to see that, kids already addicted)
• We've seen smaller class rooms (Tennessee)
• We've seen Single Race Class Rooms (I posted something from the WSJ last month,
• We've seen all boys schools (one is in DC, test scores looking like everyone else)
• We've seen extended hours, extended weeks, extended school years (marginal effects)
• We've seen reduced days (a lot of districts are now doing 4 day weeks)
• etc

The education fixes have been popping since education started.

I don't think the policy people and politicians that are in these political debates have really looked at what's been tried and has already failed.

That's why they keep repeating the same mistakes.

Teachers need to get paid because the job is hard.

They also need to get paid, because we all need to get paid more, and the 1% that owns more than 40% of the US wealth needs less money so they have less power over the electoral process.

But more money does not equal better education.

Attracting profit driven college kids to the profession is already happening with Teach for America - kids with the best grades, at the best schools, teach in the worst schools - they do it to pad out their resumes so they can go work for Wall Street or McKinsey.

As far as your questions around getting to the core about what the point of K-12 is for, you're spot on. With how generative AI is advancing, the workforce and labor as a hole will be dramatically different in 5-10 years. I asked my nieces who are in HS now, one's a senior the other is a junior about ChatGPT, one never heard of it, and the other was like, "Yeah my teachers said if they find out we used it for work, we could get expelled"... shyt like that is crazy, because here I am, with a career in IT and her aunt with a career in Utilities and we use generative AI all the time... Yet some schools don't want kids using it at all.

I honestly think there needs to be a pivot to steering kids back into learning hard skills and trades. Kids coming out of HS should have multiple certifications in whatever industry they are looking to go into. There's so much to unpack with this discussion frfr

With the current direction of everything - we're only being transparent about the situation that we live in now.

Most of America and most of the World won't have a "decent" standard of living.

UBI might mean folks don't starve, but not much more than that.

Not without radical redistribution....

We need to rethink from the ground up.

 

[GoldenGlove]

I just looked this up... they voted and adopted this last Thursday. I had the dates wrong, swear I saw something that said the meeting was last week.



The Plan:

https://www.cpsboe.org/content/actions/2023_12/23-1214-RS3.pdf

Actions: December 14, 2023 - Chicago Board of Education

www.cpsboe.org

 

[GoldenGlove]

And while you're focused on teachers, teaching conditions, and teacher pay - I'm focused on what's the point of putting Black Children though this function of the state when the boys often end up under educated, many of which are funneled into the prison pipeline.

What's worse than the crash outs are the young brothers who get a diploma but have no real way to make a living for themselves.
Indeed, it's pretty common for the Black kids who do well in school to go to college, take out loans, and then can't make back the loan money, or are saddled by loans for decades.

I'll iterate this again - throwing more money at a bad system is not improving outcomes.

What happens if you pay kids to read? (Black economics professor from Harvard)

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/financial_incentives_and_student_achievement_evidence_from_randomized_trials.pdf

The answer is not much.

• We've seen districts get more money (Kansas city court cases, Zuckerberg in NJ)
• We've seen specific schools get more money
• We've seen performance bonuses for teachers (DC)
• We've seen the new math (everywhere)
• We've seen whole language and no more phonics (everywhere)
• We've seen "flip the classroom" learn on your own (Khan Academy and those people)
• We've seen "Montessori" (b*stardized system from some Italian chick)
• We've seen African centered education (1970's NYC)
• We've seen NYC billionaires fund Harlem's Children Zone (no one talks about this)
• We've seen zero tolerance/get tough (Joe Clark got fired, generally doesn't work)
• We've seen school uniforms (everywhere, doesn't work)
• We've seen send your black kids to white public schools on a bus (too many to name)
• We've seen send your black kids to white private schools with a voucher (failed, don't have the study on hand)
• We've seen send your black kids to a for-profit school in your neighborhood (charter schoolsl, see Michigan)
• We've seen bring your device (Happened pre-covid, really bad before)
• We've see teach your own damn kids (Covid, set students back 3-4 years - all kids, all races, all economic backgrounds - so on the plus side teaching does something)
• We've seen keep your device in your locker (starting to see that, kids already addicted)
• We've seen smaller class rooms (Tennessee)
• We've seen Single Race Class Rooms (I posted something from the WSJ last month,
• We've seen all boys schools (one is in DC, test scores looking like everyone else)
• We've seen extended hours, extended weeks, extended school years (marginal effects)
• We've seen reduced days (a lot of districts are now doing 4 day weeks)
• etc

The education fixes have been popping since education started.

I don't think the policy people and politicians that are in these political debates have really looked at what's been tried and has already failed.

That's why they keep repeating the same mistakes.

Teachers need to get paid because the job is hard.

They also need to get paid, because we all need to get paid more, and the 1% that owns more than 40% of the US wealth needs less money so they have less power over the electoral process.

But more money does not equal better education.

Attracting profit driven college kids to the profession is already happening with Teach for America - kids with the best grades, at the best schools, teach in the worst schools - they do it to pad out their resumes so they can go work for Wall Street or McKinsey.




With the current direction of everything - we're only being transparent about the situation that we live in now.

Most of America and most of the World won't have a "decent" standard of living.

UBI might mean folks don't starve, but not much more than that.

Not without radical redistribution....

We need to rethink from the ground up.

From reading this, from my POV, the standards that determine success in education need to be used to baseline what kids are being taught, but the content/material that is used for various subjects needs to be current and completely revamped. I'd say classes that are based on current trends/events that tie back to state standards is the way to go to engage and keep kids attention long enough for them to get it.

The other thing which I've said, is that there needs to be an emphasis on pathways and alternatives to college for kids. Whether that's construction and utility jobs, mechanical, health industry, IT certifications etc, there are a lot of options that kids can be pushed to opposed to prioritizing college as the best option. I get what you're saying completely.

I was speaking to teacher retention and the state of educators currently. It is a problem. I guess you're saying that more money won't cultivate more/better teachers. With that being the case, there still needs to be work and change that happens to ensure that there are enough teachers to teach our kids.

 

[banner34]

This dude is bad for the city.

He will be a one term mayor

 

[RennisDeynolds]

Does Chi-town want Dykefoot byke?

Idk why this shyt so funny

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

From an empirical standpoint, has there ever been a major city where this ever worked? much less implemented?

 

[GoldenGlove]

So they basically approved the plan, but when you look at the plan, it's a work in progress with a ton of buzz DEI terms and elements that don't have any metrics behind them.

This could be a whole bunch of nothing, but we will see how they intend on implementing this in future months...I guess.

Should be interesting

 

[Lakers Offseason]

This is the wrong way to look at it because everyone going to those schools aren’t the degenerates, and those schools schools housing them are the degenerates

You can’t want better for Black people if you don’t want the lowest to succeed

I’m for magnet schools but we don’t need to shyt on everyone else too

It's the only way to look at it. Those other communities encourage their brightest and protect them from the degenerates while our community somehow think that putting our brightest with the degenerates is a good idea. Our brightest will always be at a disadvantage if we force them to be with kids who just don't give a fukk about education.

The right way to look at it would be to keep the brightest in their gifted and talented track, while separately address the issues we have with the kids who don't give a fukk.

Like someone who has posted earlier, a lot of these kids drive in education comes from home. Deal with that problem and leave the bright kids alone.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

It's the only way to look at it. Those other communities encourage their brightest and protect them from the degenerates while our community somehow think that putting our brightest with the degenerates is a good idea. Our brightest will always be at a disadvantage if we force them to be with kids who just don't give a fukk about education.

The right way to look at it would be to keep the brightest in their gifted and talented track, while separately address the issues we have with the kids who don't give a fukk.

Like someone who has posted earlier, a lot of these kids drive in education comes from home. Deal with that problem and leave the bright kids alone.

Everyone in underperforming schools is not a degenerate

You are wrong