Chicago Bakery labor issues pits blacks vs Hispanics

[88m3]

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to come away from this article with hostile views of Hispanic people.

I know there are a lot of usual suspects just spamming this thread and I can't help but wonder did people stop and read it.

I also hope we're not acting like this typical employment for AAs.

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to come away from this article with hostile views of Hispanic people.

I know there are a lot of usual suspects just spamming this thread and I can't help but wonder did people stop and read it.

I also hope we're not acting like this typical employment for AAs.

you are fabricating a narrative that somebody is asking you to be hostile to hispanic people

the overall issue is what is the impact on low skilled citizens when you have an influx of low skilled labor into the country, and why should black people support amnesty for 11 million people and loose immigration laws when the outcome will be black people getting screwed out of jobs that they need

how is this not typical employment for black people? what is the typical employment for black people?

 

[DEAD7]

Most of the things I said from a voting standpoint are further left than where dems currently are, but that's irrelevant to a more important point.

Once we accept that racism is a factor, what benefits do we gain by allowing racism to be carried out under the guise of non-racist action.

Example:

Black men struggle with employment.
Black men also struggle with illiteracy.

Most jobs, especially decent paying, and all well paying jobs require literacy.

Black men stay at the bottom because we're disproportionately illiterate.

What happened to the push for education/achievement in my opinion is welfare...
I know those who lean left don’t place a lot of stock in incentives, but the evidence is clear.
The welfare state has made it possible to avoid many of the economic consequences of... let call it an unsavory lifestyles... no that’s not the right word... maybe regressive lifestyle.

Anyway the basic point is, when acting a fool meant you couldn’t eat, fewer people acted a fool.
The trajectory blacks were on pre welfare was upward, despite racism.
Now we are headed downwards and people wanna blame racism.

 

[88m3]

you are fabricating a narrative that somebody is asking you to be hostile to hispanic people

the overall issue is what is the impact on low skilled citizens when you have an influx of low skilled labor into the country, and why should black people support amnesty for 11 million people and loose immigration laws when the outcome will be black people getting screwed out of jobs that they need

how is this not typical employment for black people? what is the typical employment for black people?

Nah, that's the reason why you guys make these threads and for some reason won't own it. You've been a bytch your whole life though.

There isn't an influx of low skilled labor though. There is a net outflow of labor and there has been for a while on top of that baby boomers are going to start retiring and getting sick. Ignorant racist attitudes like yours lead to disasters because you're ignoring demand and simply thinking in terms of exclusion.

Black people at this factory and or the Temp agency(perhaps trying to get a larger market share) are the ones who actually fukked themselves over.

According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network.

The consultant, Felix Okwusa, says the bakery offered its remaining Hispanic workers a $1-an-hour premium to train the black replacement workers.

But Okwusa says Cloverhill soon ran into problems. In a memo to the company, Okwusa, who is African American, wrote that the black workers “displayed a higher turnover rate of over 40 percent and a lower efficiency rate than their Hispanic co-workers.

Besides that it sounds like temp agencies need more regulations and oversight.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

With a name like "Okwusa", he seems more like a African with American citizenship than an African-American (ie. AADOS). I like how the black workers have a high turnover rate and lower efficiency is highlighted. Should I assume, from the sentence above in the article, that it's because the Hispanic workers have been doing this longer, Aframs have more employment options because of a healthy economy, and overall tension between the Aframs and Hispanics? Or is it just this alleged "African American" thinks Hispanics are better workers than Aframs?

I don't see this as pitting blacks against hispanics. I do see this as labor continuing to break the law, perpetuating the immigration problem, and having to deal with the realities of the market.

It used to be that a minmum wage or low paying jobs was a stepping stone to better paying jobs. But that also was when people could support a family on one person's income, had a better chance of moving up the company, and had actual pensions. Nowadays, minimum wage jobs or low paying jobs are stepping stones if you are in high school going to college or another trade school. Otherwise upward mobility is much more difficult in these types of jobs and they have the risk of being sent overseas or just closed down period.

In short, people should work and kids should appreciate the value of working. But watching your parents slave away to nowhere isn't helpful either. Working and going hungry doesn't help with that as well. How we handle jobs and wages has to be changed in this country or the bottom will fall out sooner than we would like.

So as I said on the first page of this thread and on the page prior, there are two issues that are distinct but overlap. A steady flow of low-skilled illegal immigration workers will not help black folk in the least. The fact that not enough companies are being audited and fined for illegal immigration is a problem as well. Those issues exacerbate the already existing problems of the lack of upward mobility and the ability to save for retirement. Lack of black people creating jobs. As well as have access to quality and affordable education.

 

[theworldismine13]

Nah, that's the reason why you guys make these threads and for some reason won't own it. You've been a bytch your whole life though.

There isn't an influx of low skilled labor though. There is a net outflow of labor and there has been for a while on top of that baby boomers are going to start retiring and getting sick. Ignorant racist attitudes like yours lead to disasters because you're ignoring demand and simply thinking in terms of exclusion.

Black people at this factory and or the Temp agency(perhaps trying to get a larger market share) are the ones who actually fukked themselves over.




Besides that it sounds like temp agencies need more regulations and oversight[

Nah, that’s just your imagination and an attempt to divert from the story

There has been an influx of low wage workers into the us economy, your basic facts are wrong

You getting your basic facts wrong explains why you are unable to analyze this issue properly

If you don’t believe me you can ask your boy @Call Me James he can explain how illegal immigration hurts black workers

 

[88m3]

Nah, that’s just your imagination and an attempt to divert from the story

There has been an influx of low wage workers into the us economy, your basic facts are wrong

You getting your basic facts wrong explains why you are unable to analyze this issue properly

If you don’t believe me you can ask your boy @Call Me James he can explain how illegal immigration hurts black workers

You didn't address anything I said in a meaningful way as usual and that's why no one takes you seriously.

You can't even form a viable argument or counter argument and you expect people just to rock with your racebaiting garbage threads.

 

[theworldismine13]

You didn't address anything I said in a meaningful way as usual and that's why no one takes you seriously.

You can't even form a viable argument or counter argument and you expect people just to rock with your racebaiting garbage threads.

You are just babbling, your post contains a bold face lie

There has been an influx of low wage workers into the us economy

You don’t even have your basic facts right, you should do yourself a favor and not say anything else before more of your ignorance shines through

 

[88m3]

You are just babbling, your post contains a bold face lie

There has been an influx of low wage workers into the us economy

You don’t even have your basic facts right, you should do yourself a favor and not say anything else before more of your ignorance shines through

Nah, I gave you my opinion and I pulled some quotes from the op.

The quotes I pulled added context to why the company shutdown and that black workers were making out better than their hispanic peers despite being worse workers.

The more times you say it doesn't make it true twism.

Also if there was so much downward pressure and demand for these jobs wouldn't Americans have jumped at the chance to work there instead of the company needing temp workers and eventually having to shutdown entirely because the population couldn't do the work?


You don't even know what you're arguing for just ranting about Hispanics. Nothing you're saying stands up to scrutiny.

 

[theworldismine13]

Nah, I gave you my opinion and I pulled some quotes from the op.

The quotes I pulled added context to why the company shutdown and that black workers were making out better than their hispanic peers despite being worse workers.

The more times you say it doesn't make it true twism.

Also if there was so much downward pressure and demand for these jobs wouldn't Americans have jumped at the chance to work there instead of the company needing temp workers and eventually having to shutdown entirely because the population couldn't do the work?


You don't even know what you're arguing for just ranting about Hispanics. Nothing you're saying stands up to scrutiny.

I wasn’t quoting the article, I was quoting you

You made a statement that is blatantly and demonstrably false. You said there has not been an influx of low wage workers and that there has been an outflow

I can’t even follow the rest of your post, it makes no sense

 

[88m3]

I wasn’t quoting the article, I was quoting you

You made a statement that is blatantly and demonstrably false. You said there has not been an influx of low wage workers and that there has been an outflow

I can’t even follow the rest of your post, it makes no sense

Isn't your whole premise that AAs would do these jobs if there was no competition from illegals? That didn't happen, and the company eventually folded. Keep your head in the sand or move the goal posts.

 

[theworldismine13]

Isn't your whole premise that AAs would do these jobs if there was no competition from illegals? That didn't happen, and the company eventually folded. Keep your head in the sand or move the goal posts.

I don’t know what story you are referring to, are you high?

The story in this thread is about a factory that was 90 percent Hispanic and whose workforce was mostly illegal, they got audited by ice and now the factory is 90 percent black

And it even mentions another factory that was successfully sued for discriminating against black people

So that proves that illegal immigrants were taking jobs away from black people

It’s pretty clear cut unless you are high or have low level reading comprehension

But the bottom line is that you made a demonstrably false statement that there hasn’t been an influx of low wage workers, the fact that you would make a blatantly false statement like that means you don’t really know what you are talking about

Not to mention you babbling about a conspiracy trying to make you hate Hispanics

 

[88m3]

I don’t know what story you are referring to, are you high?

The story in this thread is about a factory that was 90 percent Hispanic and whose workforce was mostly illegal, they got audited by ice and now the factory is 90 percent black

And it even mentions another factory that was successfully sued for discriminating against black people

So that proves that illegal immigrants were taking jobs away from black people

It’s pretty clear cut unless you are high or have low level reading comprehension

But the bottom line is that you made a demonstrably false statement that there hasn’t been an influx of low wage workers, the fact that you would make a blatantly false statement like that means you don’t really know what you are talking about

Not to mention you babbling about a conspiracy trying to make you hate Hispanics

I think you're the one the needs to read the article again.

Yes, one temp agency did that in 2013 and I pointed out that they need oversight and regulation.

Why are you ignoring the the companies aren't viable any longer?

The article is really temp agency practices and the lack of workers.

You're trying to make this into black vs hispanic.

 

[theworldismine13]

I think you're the one the needs to read the article again.

Yes, one temp agency did that in 2013 and I pointed out that they need oversight and regulation.

Why are you ignoring the the companies aren't viable any longer?

The article is really temp agency practices and the lack of workers.

You're trying to make this into black vs hispanic.

im not trying to make it into anything, the facts speak for themselves

the fundamental fact is that after the ice raid and when all the illegals left the black workers became 90 percent of the workers, there is no other way to interpret that other then the illegals were stealing jobs from black people

the discrimination is not the main point its the side point, the temp agencies were doing the same thing any other employer was doing which is discriminate against black people

its not an issue that is particular to temp agencies but it adds to the barriers that black people face and barriers that would increase under democratic policies, the democratic policy is to legalize the illegals that were stealing jobs from black people and to increase the number of low wage workers by loosening immigration laws, when you add that to discrimination against black workers that equals black workers being screwed

all the article says is that the company was brought out, it doesnt say it wasnt viable, the factory is still running, but either way that has nothing to do with the overall point

 

[theworldismine13]

since @tru_m.a.c aka fake mac aka the worst mod ever wants to protect his buddy, lets discuss it here

Why does @88m3 think it is ok for Hispanics to mistreat black workers?