Chicago Bakery labor issues pits blacks vs Hispanics

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:ehh:It might be time to have a conversation about the fact there’s a generation(s) out there that’s just f*cked... and generally speaking these jobs are all they have to look forward to.
I’d say age 45-55(maybe even as low as 40) without a high school diploma.

That’s another thread altogether though...
 

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@Call Me James out here selling magic beans and metaphorical weight loss pills to black people

Just take 2 of these and you don’t have to worry about an influx of low wage workers and you’ll be making 6 figs in no time

:laff::laff::laff:
I am curious as to how he plans to slide these low skill black workers into wealth creating jobs?
:ohhh:
... and why he believes cacs will let it happen.
 

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It used to be that a minmum wage or low paying jobs was a stepping stone to better paying jobs. But that also was when people could support a family on one person's income, had a better chance of moving up the company, and had actual pensions. Nowadays, minimum wage jobs or low paying jobs are stepping stones if you are in high school going to college or another trade school. Otherwise upward mobility is much more difficult in these types of jobs and they have the risk of being sent overseas or just closed own period.

In short, people should work and kids should appreciate the value of working. But watching your parents slave away to nowhere isn't helpful either. Working and going hungry doesn't help with that as well. How this country handle jobs and wages has to be changed in this country or the bottom will fall out sooner than we would like.
 
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It’s definitely much harder to move up but you gotta start somewhere...

This isn’t to say wages are not important or that this warehouse job will lead to 6 figures but there is value in just working, period.
Discipline and a whole host of skills many brothas and sistas are in desperate need of.

I also believe it’s important for children to see their parents(father especially) and the adults around them employed.
:manny:
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It used to be that a minmum wage or low paying jobs was a stepping stone to better paying jobs. But that also was when people could support a family on one person's income, had a better chance of moving up the company, and had actual pensions. Nowadays, minimum wage jobs or low paying jobs are stepping stones if you are in high school going to college or another trade school. Otherwise upward mobility is much more difficult in these types of jobs and they have the risk of being sent overseas or just closed own period.

In short, people should work and kids should appreciate the value of working. But watching your parents slave away to nowhere isn't helpful either. Working and going hungry doesn't help with that as well. How handle jobs and wages has to be changed in this country or the bottom will fall out sooner than we would like.

that analysis is all good and well but its not the crux of the issue in the story, if the country is having these issues with minimum wage, low pay and mobility, does it make any sense to support policies that grant amnesty to 11 million illegal aliens and to have loose immigration policies?

something has got to give, people cannot be for high wages and also have loose immigration polices that allows millions of low wage workers into the country. In the context of wages and mobility donald trump has a more rational immigration policy than hillary clinton
 
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In short, people should work and kids should appreciate the value of working. But watching your parents slave away to nowhere isn't helpful either. Working and going hungry doesn't help with that as well. How handle jobs and wages has to be changed in this country or the bottom will fall out sooner than we would like.
Are you suggesting not working is better for blacks?
:mjpls:

Cause that’s the reality of the situation for many of these people.
These brothas are not passing up better opportunities to work for pennies in a warehouse.
This is the best they can do at the moment and the last thing we need to be doing is supporting Hispanics undercutting them.


Side note: $14/hr is $1 short of what libs call a living wage. Sounds like a job worth having if your options are slim.
 

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Without hesitation...
Please, help a breh out :feedme:explain how(today) we as a community skip the bottom rungs and jump right into wealth.
I'm curious about your experience in the workforce.

Outside. Of the military and being a part owner of a bar and coin laundry what experience have you had?
 

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@Call Me James
It’s sounds like you don’t truly understand how at the bottom blacks are...
:wow:
We NEED those low wage jobs.

They are stepping stones.

Your ‘get a meaningful job or nothing at all’ approach is the most naive thing I’ve seen you post.



Edit: :russ: @ the insinuation that a living wage is on the table anywhere in this country. Do you want blacks to hold their breath?


I try my hardest to avoid the arguments with him . Even when we go back and forth I give up because he’s just ridiculous.
 

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I'm curious about your experience in the workforce.

Outside. Of the military and being a part owner of a bar and coin laundry what experience have you had?
Believe it or not those are actually side hustles. I’m an expat. currently in Kazakhstan working as a QC supervisor for Chevron.
Not sure how any of that’s relevant tho...:patrice:



Your suppose to be explaining how black people as a community, right now, can completely skip the bottom rungs of the economic ladder and start off in the middle/top...
:popcorn3:
Take your time.
 

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Believe it or not those are actually side hustles. I’m an expat. currently in Kazakhstan working as a QC supervisor for Chevron.
Not sure how any of that’s relevant tho...:patrice:



Your suppose to be explaining how black people as a community, right now, can completely skip the bottom rungs of the economic ladder and start off in the middle/top...
:popcorn3:
Take your time.
It seems you've skipped the bottom rungs of the economic ladder yourself. :mjlol:


My position isn't that all black people will skip the bottom rungs of the economic spectrum because that isn't true for any race in this country or even possible with capitalism in general.

The issue here is that blacks should not make be disproportionately at the bottom.

We know there are factors that keep people towards the bottom and conversely helps them move up:

  • Education
  • Race
  • Dual Earner families
  • initial starting position
  • Long stints of unemployment
From a voter perspective we should:
  • support government programs that help offset the burden on being bottom earners
  • support government programs that help provide financial aid to minorities for childcare, healthcare, education, transportation
  • Labor laws that allow for Unions or other such collective bargaining that allows for people to move from entry level to mid-level
From an individual perspective it's important to focus on your education, limit your expenses, network appropriately, and maintain multiple earners
  • One of the easiest ways we see this is children to either go to college and complete their degree
  • Focus on a trade schools/work that provide good pay
  • Not remain in entry level positions for over a year
  • stay away from dead end entry level jobs like fast-food/retail after your teens
  • For Adults, especially black men, it is important to make you have a network of mentors who can help introduce you to hiring managers, staff. give awareness on open positions and help move you ahead of the queue

We can have a larger in depth conversation, but most of the the things you support as a Libertarian and conservative had been fundamental in causing Low paying/min wage jobs to no longer be the stepping stone that they once were. So either you're going to accept that black people will have to relinquish many of their personal freedoms (having children/having more than 1 children/having children later in their life) or you're going to have to change your political philosophy so that social and labor safety nets are put in place that allow for people to have their families, see wage growth, have adequate healthcare, survive and advance during inevitable periods of unemployment that comes with low wage/low skill work without completely being underwater forever.
 

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My position isn't that all black people will skip the bottom rungs of the economic spectrum because that isn't true for any race in this country or even possible with capitalism in general.

The issue here is that blacks should not be disproportionately at the bottom.
:mjcry:
If only things were how they “should” be.

As for the rest, your position is basically we should support the programs/policies that soften/numb our oppression.
That offset our subjugation...
We do.
We are faithfully devoted to the Dems, and as a voter block always vote left so I don’t know what you mean by “start”.

Your position is the status quo, and in my opinion the most brilliant aspect of white supremacy...Dems got us busy pushing for anesthesia and not a fix...

Not only is it not working, but the rest of the country from the top down has rejected it.

At what point do you question your approach?
 

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If only things were how they “should” be.

As for the rest, your position is basically we should support the programs/policies that soften/numb our oppression.
That offset our subjugation...
We do.
We are faithfully devoted to the Dems, and as a voter block always vote left so I don’t know what you mean by “start”.

Your position is the status quo, and in my opinion the most brilliant aspect of white supremacy...Dems got us busy pushing for anesthesia and not a fix...

Not only is it not working, but the rest of the country from the top down has rejected it.

At what point do you question your approach?
Most of the things I said from a voting standpoint are further left than where dems currently are, but that's irrelevant to a more important point.

Once we accept that racism is a factor, what benefits do we gain by allowing racism to be carried out under the guise of non-racist action.

Example:

Black men struggle with employment.
Black men also struggle with illiteracy.

Most jobs, especially decent paying, and all well paying jobs require literacy.

Black men stay at the bottom because we're disproportionately illiterate.

Yes, there is still an unemployment crisis in the nation’s Black communities, but what is feeding and ensuring the longevity of that crisis is the ballooning illiteracy rate among Black youth and adults. What happened to that post-antebellum slavery zeal that put educational attainment, including reading and writing skills, as the sustained priority for advancement in American society? How did we drop that ball?
 
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