Chicago Bakery labor issues pits blacks vs Hispanics
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Nonsense phrases like “blue death squad” are certainly talking points that’s clearky what I was referencing.You just called reparations a conservative talking point.
I made no reference to dependency or the working status of those on welfare
the effects of welfare can be seen across the board even among whites.
Obviously I agree with reparations but nobody else on our side of the aisle does which isn’t surprising.
I know you didn’t mention the dependency/working status about people on welfare, which is weird because that’s life for the majority of people receiving welfare. You’re in here rambling about incentives and unsavory actions when that nonsense doesn’t even apply to the majority of people getting benefits.
Welfare helps people stay alive and move out of poverty. Prove me wrong without talking points.
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I wasn’t gonna to respond but that unsavory/incentive babble touched a nerve. Breh is talking about all of my clients on welfare who need those benefits to survive, even if they make mistakes.
Welfare has not stopped the downward trajectory of black wealth.
Just keeping people afloat isn’t good enough for me.
I’m willing to roll the dice rather than accept the status quo of pain numbing social safety nets.
... and I’m not gonna debate the negative aspects of black culture in inner cities. Either you believe it exist or you don’t.
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But neither has mass incarceration, discrimination, jobs moving overseas, underfunded schools, predatory practices on the less financially literate, and now immigration. Welfare is the least of the problems black people face. Welfare if anything is keeping them from destitution. It's not meant to be a wundercure for poverty.
I should edit it to say government intervention
My point is we shouldn’t cling so tightly that shyt isn’t working...
It is however working great for white women and ok for Hispanics. Largely due to those other state factors you mentioned.
This is dishonest.
Koch acolyte. You'd disapprove of it no matter what affects it has because it's representative of big government.
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I should edit it to say government intervention
My point is we shouldn’t cling so tightly that shyt isn’t working...
It is however working great for white women and ok for Hispanics. Largely due to those other state factors you mentioned.
So it's not welfare that's not working, it's everything else that's not working. Welfare or government assistance is for keeping you from falling to the bottom of the sunken place. Not to raise you from the sunken place. So if the the other factors aren't working for black people, then we need to fix those. Either capitalism in its current form isn't working for black folk or we're being forced/positioned to do capitalism wrong.
The problem with this line of thinking is that just keeping people afloat is sometimes the best option when conservatives are literally obsessed with making things more difficult for black and poor people. This is the point that you let fly over your head repeatedly in these discussions.I should edit it to say government intervention
My point is we shouldn’t cling so tightly that shyt isn’t working...
It is however working great for white women and ok for Hispanics. Largely due to those other state factors you mentioned.
The right isn't pushing for higher wages, they're not pushing for more job opportunities, and they're damn sure not pushing for more educational opportunities. In fact, they're actively trying to make things more difficult for poor/average people on all fronts. That's what really isn't debatable, not this misguided impression of black culture that you've developed.
You're criticizing the left for bandaid solutions when the right is the one constantly making things harder for black people and poor people to progress.
My disapproval of big government stems directly from its inability(and in America it’s interest) to legislate equality and it’s propensity to apply force.
We are falling off the bottom... let that sink in.
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Clever but still doesn't address the point I made.
As you said,
White women and hispanics have access to quality schools, jobs, financial literacy, and are not as affected by immigration. The lack of these things are putting us in the sunken place. Fix that. That's the priority.
My position is we need to let GoP conservatism run its course. It isn’t sustainable(wealth gap, racial demographics etc) and will collapse in on itself.
The quickest path is straight through it. It can not be legislated away.
To call this siding with republicans is to be confused about the goals.
In my opinion there should be nothing desirable to a black man about stability within an oppressive Nazi state. We should welcome loose cannons like Trump, not politicians that will strengthen the death grip.
Trump is doing far more harm to conservatives than to minorities, but I understand those on the left being unable to see that.
Band-aids simply can’t be good enough.
Do you honestly believe tax breaks to the rich wth no relief for the poor is sustainable?
Of course not, we get here because these policies are propped up by welfare. American white supremacy collapses without Dem policies.
I don’t see why blacks should be opposed to that.
Of course not, we get here because these policies are propped up by welfare. American white supremacy collapses without Dem policies.
I don’t see why blacks should be opposed to that.
We are educated by the Nazi state
of course we are financially illiterate. Do you expect the Nazi state to grant you quality schools and the tools to overcome its oppression?College grad blacks have worse outcomes than higheschool drop out whites...
There’s no legislative fix for that, we need to push in the opposite direction.
In my opinion of course