Caution. Kids at Play: Have We Outgrown Hip-Hop? (Commentary)

[Julius Skrrvin]

I knew there was a good reason I didnt come in here. I cannot abide some of the elitism that goes on re: what is "good hip hop". There are always some old c*nts saying some shyt about how the genre is dead and nobody speaks on intellectual shyt anymore. That is just false to start with, that type of hip hop is available a click away. I think a lot of people are salty that the backpacker nerd shyt is pretty much in the bushes right now, even in the underground.

You arent a fukking intellectual because you listen to Lupe Fiasco or some shyt and your neighbor enjoys some Gucci Mane

 

[bouncy]

I don't think Hip-Hop has ever really been about the elitist claptrap that is evident in this thread. I think it was my generation in the 90's that took hip-hop too seriously and took the fun out of it.



Hip-hop was always about catchy beats and fun lyrics.

world's famous supreme team // hey dj - YouTube

Kurtis Blow-The Breaks - YouTube

NEWCLEUS - JAM ON IT - YouTube

Slick Rick & Doug E. Fresh - La Di Da Di - YouTube

The Fat Boys - Can You Feel It - YouTube

Contrast these uplifting and fun songs with these 90's "golden era hits"

Wu Tang Clan "C.R.E.A.M." - YouTube

Black Moon - I Got Cha Opin (Remix) - YouTube

Mobb Deep - Shook Ones - YouTube

Artifacts - Wrong Side of the Tracks - YouTube


It's kinda of depressing. I think the 90's was a depressing era.

Today's music is just about swag and comedy. It's fun music again. There's nothing wrong with it.

OJ DA JUICEMAN - (Early Morning Trapping) Video - YouTube

Hip Hop started out like that, but things move on. You have to take into account when the '80's music came out in was a time when people were getting high off of coke, and crack, so they can see pass the bullshyt around them because they were high, BUT the kids watching the bullshyt weren't and saw everything happening, and when the '90's hit, they wrote about what they saw which is why it sounded depressing. They spoke about the things the older people created, and they had to live in. Why do you think they seem to always had a message in it to learn from, even when it was just a line or two? I think the new rappers are going to be like the '90's rappers because now every rappers is bragging about getting high off of hard drugs, and getting money but that isn't the route to take for most people without hurting themselves and/or people around them. Watch the kids that are 8-13 years old start rapping about the outcome the people 19-34 now are creating for them which is BULLshyt. The music is going to start sounding like the '90's.

 

[daze23]

I knew there was a good reason I didnt come in here. I cannot abide some of the elitism that goes on re: what is "good hip hop". There are always some old c*nts saying some shyt about how the genre is dead and nobody speaks on intellectual shyt anymore. That is just false to start with, that type of hip hop is available a click away. I think a lot of people are salty that the backpacker nerd shyt is pretty much in the bushes right now, even in the underground.

You arent a fukking intellectual because you listen to Lupe Fiasco or some shyt and your neighbor enjoys some Gucci Mane

it depends on how you wanna define "backpacker" shyt. a lot of people would argue Sean Price and Skyzoo are "backpacker" shyt

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

it depends on how you wanna define "backpacker" shyt. a lot of people would argue Sean Price and Skyzoo are "backpacker" shyt

No doubt. You know what i mean though, people always try to consciously elevate hip hop into some super wannabe deep meaningful shyt and the attempt falls flat. I like what @Principality of Zeon said in this topic actually, people are just out here having fun with it again. Nobody really cares about being a "real gangster", beefs dont end in blood for the most part, and dudes are just flowing over some very nice production.

Hip Hop today is great because there is literally something for everyone.

 

[bouncy]

No doubt. You know what i mean though, people always try to consciously elevate hip hop into some super wannabe deep meaningful shyt and the attempt falls flat. I like what @Principality of Zeon said in this topic actually, people are just out here having fun with it again. Nobody really cares about being a "real gangster", beefs dont end in blood for the most part, and dudes are just flowing over some very nice production.

Hip Hop today is great because there is literally something for everyone.

It's not going to last because they are creating an environment that is doomed to fail for their kids and other young people. Just watch. To me this era is almost like the 80's with the hard drug use, everybody trying to be rich, constant partying, and neglecting the young people due to them living in a fantasy world.

BTW, the production is cool, but it could be better. It just sounds more clear now due to technology and they master it to be loud to catch your attention. It's a trick record companies use to buy their product, but the talent isn't really there.

 

[daze23]

No doubt. You know what i mean though, people always try to consciously elevate hip hop into some super wannabe deep meaningful shyt and the attempt falls flat. I like what @Principality of Zeon said in this topic actually, people are just out here having fun with it again. Nobody really cares about being a "real gangster", beefs dont end in blood for the most part, and dudes are just flowing over some very nice production.

Hip Hop today is great because there is literally something for everyone.

it all still exists. homie Gunplay seems to be out there having a lot of fun with it

I think people worry too much about the music they don't like. or they worry because the music they do like isn't on the radio, or in the club, or whatever. like I said earlier, I'm just happy cats are still making music I do like

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

I am not just talking about major label production. That shyt is usually bland as fukk.

 

[bouncy]

I am not just talking about major label production. That shyt is usually bland as fukk.

Even shyt that isn't mainstream is not really doing anything new or different. I haven't heard anything new that gives me that feeling like when I heard first N.W.A.'s first two albums(Dre did his thing) & the Chronic, Marley Marls stuff, Dj premiere, Prince Paul with De La Soul, or a lot of albums with production that was different but banging, and put together in a creative way. Now it sounds cool, but it isn't really anything out there that is just on some inspirational shyt. A lot of stuff is really doing old shyt, but more clean sounding, and loud. When people say they miss the '90's sound, a lot of new shyt sounds like it to me just more clean. The same for trap music or mainstream stuff, they sound like some old southern stuff just with a little difference or straight techno/house music.

I just appreciate it for what it is, and that's good music, but I do wish I can hear something that makes me want to make a beat as soon as I hear it like some of the '90's shyt did or just make me want to listen to it over and over because it hits my emotions so much. Now when I want that feeling, the 70's shyt, and some early '80' shyt does it for me, as it always has from being a little kid and the grown ups playing it. That shyt hits your emotions big time. I just want to hear a rapper on it sometimes, instead of singing.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Im high of this god damn Kendrick so I feel pretty good about rap

But the fact that, for me at least, there are maybe 5-6 albums/mixtapes a year worth fukking with, in the context of dozens of tapes coming out EVERY DAY, is frustrating. Labels + radio aren't doing their job in filtering out garbage and promoting + nurturing quality, and actually listening to everything that comes out would be like a full time job. People who say 'u just dont look hard enough' can eat a dikk. I highly doubt folks are really finding something new AND hot w/every new disc they download... so either they ahve a much higher tolerance for wackness than me, or are lying and just like artists who happen to be dropping a lot of music. MOST shyt coming out now is wack.

 

[daze23]

MOST shyt coming out now is wack.

I've felt like that since like 1998, so that water's been under the bridge for me

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Part of it is age too, cause when youre young you dont know what you like so discovery is half the fun

Now I know what I like and just cant find it... and havent heard much outside of what I like to warrant branching out

So theres a legit fault of my own as far as fandom goes

 

[Habit]

Part of it is age too, cause when youre young you dont know what you like so discovery is half the fun

Now I know what I like and just cant find it... and havent heard much outside of what I like to warrant branching out

So theres a legit fault of my own as far as fandom goes

I never felt that way, that's like saying I can't watch football or basketball cause I seen all the classic games already. Hip-hop is better now because of all the mixtapes, I stay finding new music and artists, without having to listen to that mainstream garbage. I never messed with the mainstream anyway, so I'm used to digging in the crates. I can't complain.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I never felt that way, that's like saying I can't watch football or basketball cause I seen all the classic games already. Hip-hop is better now because of all the mixtapes, I stay finding new music and artists, without having to listen to that mainstream garbage. I never messed with the mainstream anyway, so I'm used to digging in the crates. I can't complain.

Has the skill/quality of the games decreased over time? Are there 100,000 more teams + games playing than there were back in the day? You can't compare the two, theyre not the same at all.

And who are these new artists youre finding? Name some of the latest dudes you just found out about.

 

[Habit]

Has the skill/quality of the games decreased over time? Are there 100,000 more teams + games playing than there were back in the day? You can't compare the two, theyre not the same at all.

And who are these new artists youre finding? Name some of the latest dudes you just found out about.

I'm a die hard Ras Kass fan, Soul on Ice is my favorite cd of all time, so you can't go by my tastes in music.

I think as long as a rapper talks about what's relevant to them like Melle Mel did 20 years ago or has fun with the music like De La Soul did 15 years ago, hip-hop will always live. Mainstream music has always been garbage, so we can't use that as a measure of quality. We are 30+ years deep, what you see is what you get, the good and the bad.

Dudes talk about who's winning and who has the most L's, this is stuff fans never cared about 10 years ago. So, I understand why rappers and labels have no problem insulting the fan's intelligence, that's the reason Jay-Z dumbed down his lyrics to double his dollars.

 

[VerbalIntercourse]

I'm a die hard Ras Kass fan

i was to until...

I wish the full video was still around.