Cartels are in an all out war w/police and military in Culiacan, Mexico

[Payday23]

And the US still has a presence there, taking what they want

you brehs really think they there to eradicate “isis”



ZERO foreign military bases or military presence on US soil

If you spend trillions and never leave or have to go back it's not a win.

This is the problem:

Hard’ power is our use of kinetic violence against enemies. Our national security strategy has mostly and wrongly defined the path to victory as a “hard power” technical one of removing violent actors from a tactical area of responsibility.

General William Westmoreland, once commandant of West Point Military Academy, once told me that the modern strategic doctrine of the American army derived entirely from General U.S. Grant’s theory of war. Grant once said “The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving on.” Today that doctrine is sloganized as “find, fix, fight, and finish.”

That was our strategy in Vietnam (search and destroy; war of attrition), Iraq, and Afghanistan. It is even deeply embedded in our COIN approach to counterinsurgency.

But the cause of the challenges we faced in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, and elsewhere is bad governance, not armed insurgents. Bad governance generates the insurgents who, as Mao correctly said are “the fish which swim in the sea of the people”. Leave the people badly governed and an insurgency can go on forever. As Admiral Stavridis once pleaded “You can't kill your way to success in a counter insurgency effort. You have to protect the people, get the civil military balance right, train the locals, and practice effective strategic communications.
Why Can’t America Win its Wars? | Small Wars Journal

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Imagine nikkas set up shop on your block , on every corner. For 2 decades and ran you into a hole. But you try to claim victory because you killed some of them , but they still there , by choice.

Afghanistan is basically an unofficial USA colony. Also the USA put in MORE war effort in the 2003 Iraq invasion than Afghanistan.

 

[CBalla]

Cartels are organized just like a corporation and have a hierarchy. That’s not a story, that’s facts. What do you think leaders of cartels look like?

So does the mexican mafia. I dont disagree with your statement lol, dont see the need for the stephen a face.

But like I said. Being businesslike aka businessmen AINT what made the government fall back.

 

[CBalla]

The Mexican military ain't the USA military and the current Mexican president is KNOWN for being soft on the Cartels.

I can agree with those 2 statements. One military is not the other miltary. My statement still stands.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I can agree with those 2 statements. One military is not the other miltary. My statement still stands.

Your statement only "stands" because the USA benefits from the chaos in Mexico.

 

[CBalla]

Yeah we started 2 wars to get to Iran thecoli. The politics are part of the strategy and ours sucks. We can blow shyt up but can't stick the landing. It's why Isis is coming back.

Exactly.

 

[Payday23]

We went into Afghanistan to get rid of Osama which we did. We went into Afghanistan to eradicate the Al Qaeda cells which we did. Either way Afganistan serves a bigger purpose.

1. The encirclement of Iran.

2. Stopping the spread of China's influence from coming East and to also encircle Russia.

You think USA is still in Afghanistan for 20 something years to "stop the Taliban"(who live in a remote/irrelevant part of the world unlike ISIS) or install democracy? ANd ISIS? ISIS has been WASHED by the Taliban, Russians, Iranians, and Al-Assad. Heck the USA probably supports ISIS to cause chaos for Al-Assad, Russians and Iranians in Syria.

No we didn't. We went to eradicate the l Taliban/al Qaeda and get Osama. One took 8 years. The others havent happened.at your other points. Right right
When Bush first announced the military action on Oct. 7, 2001, he described “strikes against al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.”

"These carefully targeted actions are designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations, and to attack the military capability of the Taliban regime,” Bush said in an address from the Treaty Room of the White House.




Why the US got involved in Afghanistan - and why it's been difficult to get out

 

[CBalla]

Your statement only "stands" because the USA benefits from the chaos in Mexico.

Im glad we agree then

 

[Edub]

thats cuz El Chapo son got cracced today

Oh word

 

[You Win Perfect]

Those are bystanders?! WTF?

united states military kills bystanders all the time.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

No we didn't. We went to eradicate the l Taliban/al Qaeda and get Osama. One took 8 years. The others havent happened.at your other points. Right right
When Bush first announced the military action on Oct. 7, 2001, he described “strikes against al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan.”

"These carefully targeted actions are designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations, and to attack the military capability of the Taliban regime,” Bush said in an address from the Treaty Room of the White House.




Why the US got involved in Afghanistan - and why it's been difficult to get out

Which we DID... When we toppled the Taliban government during the first few months of the original invasion.
United States invasion of Afghanistan - Wikipedia

Ever since then its just been tic tac toe type attacks from the Taliban but they're never getting back control of the entirety of Afghanistan like before. More importantly learn to deduce...
Map: US bases encircle Iran

A decade ago in 2002, Rear Admiral Craig R Quigley, senior spokesman at US Central Command (CENTCOM) in Tampa, Florida, said: "There is great value, for instance, in continuing to build airfields in a variety of locations on the perimeter of Afghanistan that, over time, can do a variety of functions, like combat operations, medical evacuation and delivering humanitarian assistance."

According to new CENTCOM figures given to Al Jazeera on April 30, there are about 125,000 US troops in close proximity to Iran: 90,000 soldiers in/around Afghanistan on Operation Enduring Freedom; some 20,000 soldiers deployed ashore elsewhere in the Near East region; and a variable 15-20,000 afloat on naval vessels.

Despite such official efforts to remain inconspicuous in the post-9/11 era, US forces from the Air Force, Army, Navy and Marines are boldly positioned in Oman and the UAE to the south of Iran, Turkey and Israel to the west, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan to the north, and Afghanistan and Pakistan in the east.

Map: US bases encircle Iran

U.S. Geopolitics: Afghanistan and the Containment of China

On 7 October 2001, the U.S. launched Operation Enduring Freedom and invaded Afghanistan, with coalition partners, to topple the Taliban regime and prevent the country from serving as a sanctuary for al-Qaeda. The occupation of Afghanistan placed Washington in a position to pursue Dr. Brzezinski’s geostrategic imperative of “managing” Eurasia. But with a difference. Instead of a “cooperative relationship” with China, the emphasis is on containment of China.

Removing the Taliban from power and expelling al-Qaeda from the country was the immediate goal in the campaign to defeat terrorism. Part of that campaign has been suppression of opium production. Afghanistan produces over 90% of the world’s non-pharmaceutical-grade opium.
[viii] It is also the world's largest producer of hashish. [ix] Profits from the selling of these drugs was and remains an important source of funding for terrorists.

The Geopolitical objectives enunciated by the Pentagon and Dr. Brzezinski center on control of the natural resources of Afghanistan and Central Asia to prevent the rise of regional hegemons like Russia or China.

The natural resources of Afghanistan include oil, gas, copper, cobalt, gold, lithium, and other untapped mineral deposits that have an estimated combine worth in excess of a trillion dollars. [x] Among the most strategic of these minerals are Rare Earth Metals, which are indispensable to modern technology. They are needed in manufacturing cell phones, laptops, compact disks, flat screen display monitors, rechargeable batteries, catalytic converter, hybrid cars, and solar panels, to name a few items.

To prevent the rise of China as a regional hegemon, the U.S. has pursued three courses of action involving Rare Earth Metals, pipelines, and alliances.

1. China has the world’s largest reserve of Rare Earth Metals and controls 97 percent of the world’s supply. If preliminary estimates are correct, Afghanistan has the world’s sixth largest reserve of these metals. [xii] By Washington effectively controlling this alternative source, the U.S. and the rest of the industrialized world would be less dependent on China. It would strengthen the geopolitical position of Washington while simultaneously weakening that of Beijing.

1. China’s growing economy needs access to the oil and gas reserves of Central Asia, which requires unfettered use of the oil and gas pipelines. Dr. Brzezinski advocated the US geopolitical objective in Central Asia be the control of those pipelines. “Thus, at stake in this conundrum are geopolitical power, [and] access to potentially great wealth…Until the collapse of the Soviet Union, access to the region was monopolized by Moscow. All rail transport, gas and oil pipelines, and even air travel were channeled through the center. Russian geopoliticians would prefer it to remain so, since they know that whoever either controls or dominates access to the region is the one most likely to win the geopolitical and economic prize.” [xiii] The prize is Eurasia. As Dr. Brzezinski noted “The momentum of Asia's economic development is already generating massive pressures for the exploration and exploitation of new sources of energy and the Central Asian region and the Caspian Sea basin are known to contain reserves of natural gas and oil that dwarf those of Kuwait, the Gulf of Mexico, or the North Sea." [xiv] Limit China’s access to those reserves and pipelines and China’s economic growth is restricted. If China’s economic growth is restricted, Beijing lacks the financing to modernize and expand her military capabilities. Without increased economic and military power, China lacks the ability to project political influence. It is, thereby, prevented from emerging as a regional hegemon.

1. To limit China’s growing political influence and economic power in the region, the U.S. promotes alliances having the dual purpose of containment and balance of power. The containment strategy as the first map shows [xv] consists of a series of “alliances” between the U.S. and countries bordering China stretching in a southern arc from Northeast Asia to Southeast Asia to South Asia to Central Asia. Building on existing Cold War treaties between the U.S. and its traditional allies, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan, Washington has expanded this “alliance” to include Afghanistan and former adversary, Vietnam. Based on shared concerns over Chinese power and intentions, the U.S. seeks to include in this “coalition” Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Malaysia, India, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Kyrgyzstan. The balance of power strategy rests on supporting India, a multi-party democracy pursuing free market economics, as the alternative model to China for Asia’s economic development. Only India has the territorial and population size and economic potential to be China’s rival. It is assumed there will be a natural evolution in Indian foreign policy as the country’s economy grows so will its political aspirations. Fueled by ongoing friction in Indian-Chinese relations over border disputes, China’s support of Pakistan, and India’s “support” of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government in exile.

U.S. Geopolitics: Afghanistan and the Containment of China | Small Wars Journal

Like.... Do I have to spell this shyt out? I forgot to mention that Afghanistan has important resources that the USA needs. "Buh... Buh... USA struggles with goat herders" Afghanistan is a very important geopolitical location for many reasons. Nothing less nothing more.





And Al-Qaeda has BEEN washed in Afghanistan.

 

[Amor fati]

Or oil(which they are in), gun trafficking, racketeering, etc, etc.

And yea outside a few countries South America is safe as fukk especially the southern cone. South America is probably the most stable region in Latin America outside of Venezuela.

Them Brazilian cats are lunatics the amount of shyt I've heard from Record TV and 1st hand account stories from Brazilians makes a dude just go wow.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Them Brazilian cats are lunatics the amount of shyt I've heard from Record TV and 1st hand account stories from Brazilians makes a dude just go wow.

Really meant the southern cone of South America.

 

[The G.O.D II]

It’s straight up crazy how failed of a state mexico has become. Even in Columbia’s wildest days you never seen shyt like this.

 

[CBalla]

@Jesus is my protector on an unrelated note. I wonder if our military is spreading itself too thin with all these different wars and no clear end goal.


Your thoughts? Thoughts on trump pulling out this week?