Captain Marvel (Official Thread) March 8th 2019: 7th Marvel Film To Cross 1B$

[Sterling Archer]

Talos made this movie for me. nikka was hilarious. ..."Why....would I turn...into a filing cabinet?":flabbykid:

 

[NobodyReally]

I think we need to slow down on the “people love Mamoa”

Gotta see what he does and how after this film, cuz before the other than GOT he was relatively unknown.

I think the movie was just flashy and decent enough and it did well

Martha

But you know Mamoa has some pull. He tests extremely well at comic-cons with geek boys and women. He's got sex appeal. I'm not saying he was the only factor, but I think he was a major draw.

Wonder Woman had flaws but it was still critically acclaimed, and a lot of cac men loved that movie. I'm not about to sit up here and make white women out to be a part of the oppressed group. Brie Larson is coming into the most successful comic franchise as the strongest character in said franchise. As great as Black Panther was T'Challa was punked out in his own film, and he was more established than CM.

The script writers were savvy with WW. By having Chris Pine/Trevor as a romantic interest and helping her save the day plus making her naive and kind-hearted balanced out her power. If Wonder Woman hadn't had a love interest or been shown to be naive and sweet, she would have been called a Mary Sue or overbearing. I feel like WW played up her naivete and her love for Trevor to emphasize she wasn't some man hating feminist icon. Personally, I think those were weaknesses of the film, but it was a manipulation to sell the character to dudes who don't like women who have powers. Gal Gadot being 100 times prettier than Brie helps too.

While I kinda see what you're saying there, cuz the same to some degree is/was done with Black Panther and black male lead type of movies as well, I think the comparison with Aquaman was less about the lead and more about the fluff of style, action and cgi/cinematography. Also, with Mamao being Polynesian rather than a white male lead, that could've been a slight against him as well. But overall, as aforementioned, the adoration of that movie seems to be less on him...outside of him being a sex symbol to women.

Perhaps, I'll concede it may have been overall packaging as well. I just didn't think Aquaman was packaged that great to override the flaws. It as OK! But people making it out to be like a WS level of superhero films are ridiculous.

Part of what you’re saying is 1000% true about movies with minorities or female leads having to be home runs or else the knives come out. It should be OK for a movie with a minority lead to just be ok or average or just merely good. Not every movie has to be a home run. This movie is a solid double with an rbi. Not a damn thing wrong with that

That's all I'm saying!

 

[gluvnast]

I honestly think people would have rated this higher if the lead was a man. Any time you have a minority or female as the lead, you had to be at a 10 for people rate it as excellent. fukking Aquaman was not a great movie but people love Mamoa. If Aquaman had been Aquawoman, people would not be copping pleas for all of its shortcomings. That's just how I feel about it.

I seriously doubt that. Wonder Women was both critically and commercially acclaimed and that was written and directed by a woman with a lot of feminist symbolism throughout the movie. And even though Wonder Woman wasn't the perfect movie, it had it's own flaws, it was a very well QUALITY film proving that good movies are simply good movies and transcend gender or in Black Panther's case transcends race. I mean if you told me two years ago that a big budget black superhero movie with a 98% all black cast, with a black director would not just be critically acclaimed but end up becoming the highest grossing domestic film of the MCU, I would of thought of it as ridiculously unrealistic. But Black Panther was undeniable. And even Black Panther has nitpicks such as weak on some CGI here and there. People appreciate a good movie, regardless of gender or race. And people aren't going to like a BAD film, yet more people try to make excuses for bad films as saying, "but it's important". Last year, which sparked the controversy with Brie Larsen to begin with, A Wrinkle of Time was a BAD FILM... but saying excuses like it wasn't MEANT for men to like it doesn't help matters, and that did flood into this movie. But still, many moviegoers aren't going to care and watch and judge the film by it's own merits.

Lastly, I beg to differ about Aquaman. The critics didn't fall in love with that film and did acknowledged its flaws. The fans for the most part enjoyed it clearly, it wasn't copping pleas for any shortcomings. But a lot of people are copping pleas for Captain Marvel saying how "important" the film is and anyone say anything negative are being chauvinistic. Which is problematic because there are those who are and many who aren't and having a #metoo #timesup movement trying to dictate how people suppose to give this film a PASS because it was directed, written by women and starring a woman.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

@gluvnast

I’m gonna be real with you player.

I haven’t heard any pleas copping or “it’s important” talk you talking about.

Truth be told a lot of the stuff being said about CM that people like you are in uproars about I’ve honestly never heard and wouldn’t have an inkling for it if it wasn’t mentioned in here.

That’s why a honest question can be had or made about “are y’all searching for this” cuz all in all one will always find what they search for. But if you not looking for it and don’t let the outside dictate your personal perspective, that really can adjust how you process things

Martha

 

[NobodyReally]

I seriously doubt that. Wonder Women was both critically and commercially acclaimed and that was written and directed by a woman with a lot of feminist symbolism throughout the movie. And even though Wonder Woman wasn't the perfect movie, it had it's own flaws, it was a very well QUALITY film proving that good movies are simply good movies and transcend gender or in Black Panther's case transcends race. I mean if you told me two years ago that a big budget black superhero movie with a 98% all black cast, with a black director would not just be critically acclaimed but end up becoming the highest grossing domestic film of the MCU, I would of thought of it as ridiculously unrealistic. But Black Panther was undeniable. And even Black Panther has nitpicks such as weak on some CGI here and there. People appreciate a good movie, regardless of gender or race. And people aren't going to like a BAD film, yet more people try to make excuses for bad films as saying, "but it's important". Last year, which sparked the controversy with Brie Larsen to begin with, A Wrinkle of Time was a BAD FILM... but saying excuses like it wasn't MEANT for men to like it doesn't help matters, and that did flood into this movie. But still, many moviegoers aren't going to care and watch and judge the film by it's own merits.

Lastly, I beg to differ about Aquaman. The critics didn't fall in love with that film and did acknowledged its flaws. The fans for the most part enjoyed it clearly, it wasn't copping pleas for any shortcomings. But a lot of people are copping pleas for Captain Marvel saying how "important" the film is and anyone say anything negative are being chauvinistic. Which is problematic because there are those who are and many who aren't and having a #metoo #timesup movement trying to dictate how people suppose to give this film a PASS because it was directed, written by women and starring a woman.

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then. I did not like the last SW films and it was chock full of feminism. It was pandering. CM was a solid movie, IMO.

In terms of WW, I really wonder if the same movie had been made about Superman if fanboys would have called it good. Let's forget about the mythos of Superman and pretend he was downgraded to just WW's level of super powers. If they had made Superman a descendent of literal gods, with special armor and a magic weapon but still in need of help from his love interest to sacrifice herself to save the day, on top of making him some naive guy that movie would have been clowned. That's how WW played for me. Making WW some naive girl who needs help from her human boyfriend to win her most defining battle was pretty wack. But like I said, it makes her less of a Mary Sue for many men. Those same standards aren't applied to super hero men. But I mean, everyone likes what they like. You enjoyed WW, and I thought it was a weak movie. It is what it is.

 

[Brandeezy]

Lol did you watch WW? She didn't need Trevor's help, she even told him to fukk off multiple times. He told her not to kill the general but she killed him anyways. She literally says "What I do is not up to you" after he tells her he's not going to let her kill dude then pushes him out the way. He tells her not to cross the trench, she does it anyways. She's naive because that's how she was raised, sheltered on an island with her mom telling her fairy tales before she went to sleep. Hell the only reason why she left the island is because of story her mother told her about Ares, that he is the cause of all things evil and only she can kill him to stop the war.

 

[wire28]

@gluvnast

I’m gonna be real with you player.

I haven’t heard any pleas copping or “it’s important” talk you talking about.

Truth be told a lot of the stuff being said about CM that people like you are in uproars about I’ve honestly never heard and wouldn’t have an inkling for it if it wasn’t mentioned in here.

That’s why a honest question can be had or made about “are y’all searching for this” cuz all in all one will always find what they search for. But if you not looking for it and don’t let the outside dictate your personal perspective, that really can adjust how you process things

Martha

nikkas been on they Sherlock Holmes shyt searching for YouTube videos and reviews to defend their point that the movie is ass

I’m like damn player you really must hate this shyt when you ignoring calls from your mama to link YouTube videos with 500 views to reiterate for the 83rd time you didn’t like the movie

 

[hex]

My girl didnt want to see this with me.

Pops gave me the when I asked him to come check this out with me.

None of my homies even responded in the group chat


Im in this theater by my damn self


Marvel gang

Fred.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

I honestly think people would have rated this higher if the lead was a man. Any time you have a minority or female as the lead, you had to be at a 10 for people rate it as excellent. fukking Aquaman was not a great movie but people love Mamoa. If Aquaman had been Aquawoman, people would not be copping pleas for all of its shortcomings. That's just how I feel about it.

I saw a lot more groups of women (young and old) go to see Aquaman unlike Captain Marvel where I saw more families and groups of men.

 

[hex]

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree then. I did not like the last SW films and it was chock full of feminism. It was pandering. CM was a solid movie, IMO.

In terms of WW, I really wonder if the same movie had been made about Superman if fanboys would have called it good. Let's forget about the mythos of Superman and pretend he was downgraded to just WW's level of super powers. If they had made Superman a descendent of literal gods, with special armor and a magic weapon but still in need of help from his love interest to sacrifice herself to save the day, on top of making him some naive guy that movie would have been clowned. That's how WW played for me. Making WW some naive girl who needs help from her human boyfriend to win her most defining battle was pretty wack. But like I said, it makes her less of a Mary Sue for many men. Those same standards aren't applied to super hero men. But I mean, everyone likes what they like. You enjoyed WW, and I thought it was a weak movie. It is what it is.

Can't really compare WW to Superman because WW literally had no contact whatsoever with the outside world. Superman was raised by humans, among humans, held down a 9-5, etc.

I get the point you're trying to make but Marvel did more or less the same thing with Thor. Dude is a god, one of the strongest characters in Marvel....and he's been relegated to comic relief 90% of the time. His first movie most of the humor was derived from him being a fish out of water. His second movie he needed his girlfriend (and her human friends) to help defeat the enemy. His 3rd movie was a flat out goofy comedy. I don't remember most people complaining about any of that, though.

Fred.

 

[NobodyReally]

Lol did you watch WW? She didn't need Trevor's help, she even told him to fukk off multiple times. He told her not to kill the general but she killed him anyways. She literally says "What I do is not up to you" after he tells her he's not going to let her kill dude then pushes him out the way. He tells her not to cross the trench, she does it anyways. She's naive because that's how she was raised, sheltered on an island with her mom telling her fairy tales before she went to sleep. Hell the only reason why she left the island is because of story her mother told her about Ares, that he is the cause of all things evil and only she can kill him to stop the war.

Yeah, she said that a lot, but in the end, if Trevor hadn't sacrificed his life, her efforts wouldn't have been enough. So it totally ignores everything coming out of her mouth. She needed him to win her fight, if anything, that only underscores what I'm saying. Women can talk all they want about not needing a man but in WW, it shows that women need men to win their fight. That's what I took away from it.

This article pretty much sums it up for me: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-in-a-superhero-movie/?utm_term=.aa30f35b9d8c

Despite not being the titular hero of the movie, Pine still shines in his role as Steve Trevor...Pine was able to help save the day and break audience’s hearts at the same time, and he did so without a mask or cape.

I've never seen a female love interest written this way in a superhero fic. It just struck me as odd that he's so freakin' heroic here, it's almost like they had to have someone like him to make WW more palatable for the core audience.

I saw a lot more groups of women (young and old) go to see Aquaman unlike Captain Marvel where I saw more families and groups of men.

I ain't denying that. I'm just talking about the amount of backlash this movie has received.

 

[LordDeathwatch]

Been a while since I've seen nikkas THIS deep in their feelings over a movie. :DyingLaughing:

Motherfukkers catching Techs and still ready to run up in the stands. :Brehcard2:

 

[MostHatedBox]

I went into this movie with low expectations and it turned out way better than I expected.

The chemistry between Fury and Carol. I wouldnt be surprised if he beat cakes. She even made sure he had her info in his pager.

The scene between the sista pilot and Fury was black excellence at its finest. Captain Marvel wouldnt have won without us and she knew it

The Skrulls were the best part of the movie to me. The " Can I borrow some sugar " part had me weak.

Fury losing his eye had alot of people in my theater they were probably better off leaving that a mystery. Everything doesnt need to be shown.

I love Brie Larson as Carol Danvers though. I think she will be way better in the next avengers once she learns her powers kind of like Doctor Strange. That end credit scene was flames and better than anything in the movie. I need that EndGame to drop now.


As far as origin movies are concerned its no where near Black Panther, Ironman, or Homecoming but its not as bad as Thor or Hulk. And definitely better than what DC has been offering.

 

[Alexander The Great]

Part two of my reply to your post with IMO best approach answer. In the sequel, BP needs to have a couple of clearly defined, unshared hero moments that aren't marred by other issues like bad CGI, too dark to see action or cut-aways to other characters during his action sequences or saves by other characters stealing his shine. All that happened in the first one and while they can and should still definitely give the rest of the cast moments to shine as well, BP's shine should undeniably shine brightest.

I had an idea of some things they could do. Have him be totally separated from the everyone else, just fighting, uninterrupted for a good 4-5 minute fight sequence or two with either a lot of folks or someone on par with him, but him turning it up and getting some clear wins to show how bad ass he can be. LIke, I picture them doing a hallway sequence a la Daredevil/Oldboy, but turned up to where he's fighting like 50+ people and doing all sorts of ill shyt, all on his own to beat them.

This hero moments aren't just relegated to action pieces either (albeit this is where it's needed most in the sequel) but also, some really strong character moments as well to show BP's cunning, strategy and other strong character attributes, but not be as subtle as they were in the first movie. Moments like him yelling to Zuri, "I AM YOUR KING NOW" should happen a few more times. Not necessarily with him yelling at anyone, but showcasing his sauveness and intellect directly, and shot in a sense where's there's no question about it.

But also, combining the two of action + the right dialogue would be great as well. Something like this moment needs to be in the sequel for certain:



There were hints of this in Civil War, but that wasn't his movie. Should be turned up in his movie.

My fault tho, I'm rather going off thread topic here now, lol. But to bring it back tho, even CM, as a lesser known character and definitely lower quality movie, had more moments displaying her badassery than BP did in his intro film. That part of Captain Marvel, they did do pretty well by her.

I mentioned this last year, based on the comics Black Panther is one of, if not the smartest Marvel Hero. yet we didn't see any of that in the movie. we Know Shuri is a genius, even showed she's smarter than Banner. Black Panther has also BEAT Captain America multiple times in the books, yet do we think of a badass when we see him the movies? not yet. They really dumbed down his awesomeness in his own movie.

 

[blankstairz]

Wonder Woman had flaws but it was still critically acclaimed, and a lot of cac men loved that movie. I'm not about to sit up here and make white women out to be a part of the oppressed group. Brie Larson is coming into the most successful comic franchise as the strongest character in said franchise. As great as Black Panther was T'Challa was punked out in his own film, and he was more established than CM.

T'Challa was not punked out. He was the center, the base, the anchor of the film to the point where the other co-stars shined. Coogler and Boseman did a masterful job of executing it. Sometimes, less is more.

It would have sold the movie short making it all about BP himself. Still would have been good, but you would lose out to all things that made the world of Wakanda beautiful and engaging.