Captain Marvel (Official Thread) March 8th 2019: 7th Marvel Film To Cross 1B$

[Khalil's_Black_Excellence]

Yeah I wouldn't go throwing stones like that if you really siding with this dude...

Seriously. I'm tired of seeing his fukking face over my youtube feed just cuz I was looking for Captain Marvel reviews. Checked a couple of his vids, briefly and he seems like on one of those goofy ass posters that would be on here that I would not really care for. I've not gathered whether or not he really believes and feels everything that he says or if he's just saying shyt for hits, but either which way, from what I've heard so far, I don't wanna even dig deeper to find out.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Doesn't make it any less true... and if all you got from that is "it's a fictional dad", then your black card needs to be questioned.

My Black card needs to be questioned over fictional characters in a sci-fi comic book movie?! Dude step away from the keyboard.

 

[hex]

HOMIE IS SPEAKING NOTHING BUT FACTS.... for real fucck this movie and it's bullshyt agenda

Maybe next time check who you're co-signing before you post this clown's videos in my sub-forum.

Fred.

 

[Luke Cage]

that backfired quickly and efficiently. Now back to our comicbooks.
Moving on...

IMO flashbacks are a gimmick used by directors who aren't good at establishing character motivations through natural and expository dialog or choices. I prefer if a movie stays in the present for it's entire runtime (or what ever period is being treated as the present). For example i think starlords connection to his mother through his walkman would have been a much more powerful discovery if we found out about during his chat with Gamorra instead of showing us the importance of the walkman during the brief flashback at the beginning of the first guardians movie.
This film the flashbacks were especially unnecessary because we the audience already knew she was Carol Danvers from earth. And the scenes where she is shown old photos by her friends daughter makes all of those flashback scenes redundant(which i thought was actually an excellent alternative to a flashback).

 

[Trapperman Dave]

She signed a 7 movie contract, and this is going to make at least $800 million. It's getting a sequel. Plus for rights to the name they have to. And even though I have issues with the movie, "I still enjoyed it" I can see how the next movie could be on some The Winter Soldier shyt. Because I wasn't totally feeling Captain America after The First Avenger, but TWS changed everything for me.

TWS action scenes

 

[AnonymityX1000]

that backfired quickly and efficiently. Now back to our comicbooks.
Moving on...

IMO flashbacks are a gimmick used by directors who aren't good at establishing character motivations through natural and expository dialog or choices. I prefer if a movie stays in the present for it's entire runtime (or what ever period is being treated as the present). For example i think starlords connection to his mother through his walkman would have been a much more powerful discovery if we found out about during his chat with Gamorra instead of showing us the importance of the walkman during the brief flashback at the beginning of the first guardians movie.
This film the flashbacks were especially unnecessary because we the audience already knew she was Carol Danvers from earth. And the scenes where she is shown old photos by her friends daughter makes all of those flashback scenes redundant(which i thought was actually an excellent alternative to a flashback).

Most people walking in the theater have no idea about Captain Marvel lore. We are a small minority of the viewing audience.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

IMO flashbacks are a gimmick used by directors who aren't good at establishing character motivations through natural and expository dialog or choices. I prefer if a movie stays in the present for it's entire runtime (or what ever period is being treated as the present). For example i think starlords connection to his mother through his walkman would have been a much more powerful discovery if we found out about during his chat with Gamorra instead of showing us the importance of the walkman during the brief flashback at the beginning of the first guardians movie.
This film the flashbacks were especially unnecessary because we the audience already knew she was Carol Danvers from earth. And the scenes where she is shown old photos by her friends daughter makes all of those flashback scenes redundant(which i thought was actually an excellent alternative to a flashback).

I actually think the flashbacks in CM were necessary because she doesn't remember her past - so when the Skrulls root into her mind or she gets flashes we learn alongside of her. They also wouldn't have been able to build up her relationship with MarVell or Simone as well through pictures. And some shyt like her falling/crashing etc was done to build up the final flashbacks of her getting back on her feet.

I thought they fit perfectly in this case, even though I agree with you in general - CM was an exception for me.

For Starlord that visual of his fam thinking his mother was crazy, including him, and her reaching out to him were powerful as fukk - especially because the movie ends with him and the Guardians reaching out to each other and we get a callback to the opening scene.

Sometimes it's show don't tell

 

[Luke Cage]

Most people walking in the theater have no idea about Captain Marvel lore. We are a small minority of the viewing audience.

I feel the same way about flashbacks for any movie though, even with characters i've never heard of. Instead of cutting away from the movie to show us snippets of a more interesting prequel (or less interesting prequel). Save that for the actual prequel and use genuine character development to tell us their background. Just seems like a shortcut to me. George Lucas is notoriously bad at dialog although great at world building and lore, so he literally just tells us all the information we need to know in an opening text crawl. It worked for that franchise but i don't want everyone to do it. Trust your actors ability to act instead. A good actor should be able to tell us their background with a flashback. sometimes even without dialog. like looking at a wedding ring on the dresser, getting ready to put it on then deciding not to. May inform us something is not right with his relationship. Let the audience try to fill in the blanks before the issue is resolved at the end. Is he divorced, separated, widowed etc?
No need to show a flashback of him yelling at his wife, then a cut to them signing divorce documents. This gives the actors a chance to really be the character.

 

[MartyMcFly]

that backfired quickly and efficiently. Now back to our comicbooks.
Moving on...

IMO flashbacks are a gimmick used by directors who aren't good at establishing character motivations through natural and expository dialog or choices. I prefer if a movie stays in the present for it's entire runtime (or what ever period is being treated as the present). For example i think starlords connection to his mother through his walkman would have been a much more powerful discovery if we found out about during his chat with Gamorra instead of showing us the importance of the walkman during the brief flashback at the beginning of the first guardians movie.
This film the flashbacks were especially unnecessary because we the audience already knew she was Carol Danvers from earth. And the scenes where she is shown old photos by her friends daughter makes all of those flashback scenes redundant(which i thought was actually an excellent alternative to a flashback).

The one part of that I’ll disagree with is guardians. It’s always better to show than tell and showing peter as a kid listening to the Walkman while his mom died in the other room was effective and a gut punch. And it made the ending that much better when he sees her again in the hospital bed.

Had I gotten that from a convo he had with Gamorra, it wouldn’t have hit me as hard because I’d have no emotional connection to the scene. Seeing his anguish and the bits of their relationship definitely helped.

The flashbacks here were cool but they didn’t really add anything because like you said, the audience is already aware she’s from earth. What would’ve made them pop is if they weren’t in spurts. Show me her relationship with her best friend rather than tell me how great their friendship is.

There’s a lot of work the movie needed to do to piece all that stuff together and the only reason it does work, even a little, is because the actors pull it off. They rise above the writing and set up, which is really dope.

 

[Luke Cage]

I actually think the flashbacks in CM were necessary because she doesn't remember her past - so when the Skrulls root into her mind or she gets flashes we learn alongside of her. They also wouldn't have been able to build up her relationship with MarVell or Simone as well through pictures. And some shyt like her falling/crashing etc was done to build up the final flashbacks of her getting back on her feet.

I thought they fit perfectly in this case, even though I agree with you in general - CM was an exception for me.

For Starlord that visual of his fam thinking his mother was crazy, including him, and her reaching out to him were powerful as fukk - especially because the movie ends with him and the Guardians reaching out to each other and we get a callback to the opening scene.

Sometimes it's show don't tell

I disagree, i'll use the bourne identity as example because the main character in that movie had memory loss, and they executed it much better, while maintaining the audiences mystery and suspense. In that, Bourne suspects he forgetting something in his past because he has certain skills that he know he shouldn't have but, doesn't remember where he learned them from. They could've had Vers confused about why she can expertly pilot an american aircraft, and aim to find out why. Instead they played that scene for laughs. The scene where she enters the bar and recognizes that she used to hang out there worked though.

 

[NobodyReally]

that backfired quickly and efficiently. Now back to our comicbooks.
Moving on...

IMO flashbacks are a gimmick used by directors who aren't good at establishing character motivations through natural and expository dialog or choices. I prefer if a movie stays in the present for it's entire runtime (or what ever period is being treated as the present). For example i think starlords connection to his mother through his walkman would have been a much more powerful discovery if we found out about during his chat with Gamorra instead of showing us the importance of the walkman during the brief flashback at the beginning of the first guardians movie.
This film the flashbacks were especially unnecessary because we the audience already knew she was Carol Danvers from earth. And the scenes where she is shown old photos by her friends daughter makes all of those flashback scenes redundant(which i thought was actually an excellent alternative to a flashback).

Completely disagree.

One of the best gifts of cinematic story telling is that you can show and not tell. How do we know Carol is going to be mind fukked through the movie or struggling with her identity because of the crazy memories embedded in her head? Flashbacks. Her making 'serious' faces and talking about being mind fukked is a lot less impactful to the story than us seeing the stuff she's trying to sort out in her head. This movie would have been much weaker if we hadn't seen Dr. Lawson or Maria Rambeau's face in Carol's head before she learned the facts. As a story teller, I like using flashbacks too because they can put you in the shoes of the protagonist. If you really want something that feels like the protoganist's POV, it's one of the best tools out there. Can it be misused or over used, yes. Was it here? No, it was use perfectly, IMO.

 

[Rell84shots]

Yeah I wouldn't go throwing stones like that if you really siding with this dude...

He comes off like every white person's one black friend.
This should tell any black person what kind of ultra c00n this fool is.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

For all the 90s music they used I didn't like one song and that is my fukkin' heyday! They should have used some Paula Perry or Bahamadia if they were aiming at me.

The whole 90's setting was underused in the film.Other than crashing into a Blockbuster, nothing necessarily felt 90's

in this flick.I know they played a couple songs, but it had no finesse or subtlety to it.Just tossed in lazily IMO.

I think Marvel made made this shyt as bare minimum/generic as possible.I think they see their origin films as

throwaway flicks.They normally improve on the sequel.The only origin flicks they knocked out of the park was IM1 &

GOTG.

 

[ColdSlither]

So does anyone think that Goose did not blind Nick Fury, and that he is actually not "blind" at all? That Goose gave him something? He wasn't acting like someone who just had his eye ruined for life. He was actually rather too nonchalant about it. I think that he can see differently with that eye. He can probably see through a Skrull in disguise. Just like Goose did when he didn't attack Talos disguised as a Kree soldier. Just a theory.

 

[gluvnast]

Maybe next time check who you're co-signing before you post this clown's videos in my sub-forum.

Fred.

Give a damn who the person is, but he spoke nothing but facts on this how they did Monica Rambeau wrong and it being objectively racist they knocked her down to lift Carol Danvers up. It is like if T'Challa was introduced to the MCU as a black child and not as Black Panther and looked up to Steve Rogers as his great white hope. it's an insult.

Also, whomever is the admin. I did not violate any Coli rules. Critiquing the film and calling out its agenda shouldn't be a coli violation, nor trying to censor anyone for speaking their opinion. Isn't that the point of having a forum. I understand if it actually violated anything such as illegal content, pornography, trying to bully or insult any member or anything of that nature. I do not mind getting negg'd or dapped. But I do take exception when I get a warning for violating a rule when I feel I am within the guidelines or they did not specify what exactly what it is that's violated. Because posting a commentary and agreeing to it shouldn't be a violation, IMO.