Supercoolmayo
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CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER - Kevin Feige (Movie Discussion Thread)
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Ok just checking I know some people that didn't bother to see the first one and only saw part 2 because it was the in thing to do at the moment. Then they didn't know what was going on with some of the characters. Same thing happened with Batman Begins mad people I know didn't see but went to see The Dark Knight and was lost thinking it had the same continuity to the old flicks.
These people get on my nerves always asking me questions since I am the so called movie guy
. Just because they follow the crowds and only check out movie that are considered hot.Cap TWS deserves all the props it's getting though!
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god=nature=we'reFUCKED
Organize the non obvious
I was not expecting 
bourne ultimatum type action
Also wasn't expecting Marvel lighting the 'don't trust government' spark in millions of children with future conspiracy seeking disposition.
Those who fight monsters become monsters
bourne ultimatum type actionAlso wasn't expecting Marvel lighting the 'don't trust government' spark in millions of children with future conspiracy seeking disposition.
Those who fight monsters become monsters
Norrin Radd
To me, my board!
I'm hyped.
GreatestLaker
#FirePelinka
I enjoyed it more than The Avengers, Iron Man or any of the other movies from the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Easily in my 10 super hero movies ever.
Congrats to Cap2 reaching them solid numbers domestically and worldwide.
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $250,627,000 35.6%
+ Foreign: $452,800,000 64.4%
= Worldwide: $703,427,000
Improved numbers all around from the first movie.
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $176,654,505 47.7%
+ Foreign: $193,915,269 52.3%
= Worldwide: $370,569,774
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $250,627,000 35.6%
+ Foreign: $452,800,000 64.4%
= Worldwide: $703,427,000
Improved numbers all around from the first movie.
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $176,654,505 47.7%
+ Foreign: $193,915,269 52.3%
= Worldwide: $370,569,774
Prince.Skeletor
Don’t Be Like He-Man
so we all realize that Hydra in this movie is the CIA in real life right?
This movie is about Captain America fighting the CIA
could it be that the CIA was infiltrated by Nazi Scientists after WWII?
operation paperclip, referenced in the movie, is real, it's the CIA kidnapping Nazi Scientists after the Nazis collapses and hitler died.
The mere fact that Captain AMERICA, who's weapon is a shield with an American flag on it, fought against his govt, or even warred against them, is HUGE!
This movie is about Captain America fighting the CIA
could it be that the CIA was infiltrated by Nazi Scientists after WWII?
operation paperclip, referenced in the movie, is real, it's the CIA kidnapping Nazi Scientists after the Nazis collapses and hitler died.
The mere fact that Captain AMERICA, who's weapon is a shield with an American flag on it, fought against his govt, or even warred against them, is HUGE!
shoulda did a billy
shoulda did a billy
I know right, but they don't let these movies stay out in theaters long enough now. Since that cost money. These studios would rather hurry up and put these movies on Blu Ray/DVD since that is all profit to them. I am sure this movie will do very well in the home market.
Prince.Skeletor
Don’t Be Like He-Man
The closest specific analogue, in this regard, is the Federal state centered in Washington. Like SHIELD, it arose in and after World War II as the “world’s policeman.” Like SHIELD, it posed as heroes protecting world peace from villains, starting with Nazi Germany (in the films, HYDRA originated as a rogue Nazi cell) and Imperial Japan.
But, also like SHIELD, Washington and its allies were themselves infected with the same statist disease as their foes. They countered the infamous Nazi (National Socialist) domestic policies with the economic regimentation and civil-liberty squashing of the New Deal and of wartime controls, and answered the Nazis’ Holocaust with holocausts of their own, most demonically in Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. (What can be more diabolically super-villainous than the incineration of whole cities, overwhelmingly populated by women, children, and the elderly?)
Like SHIELD/HYDRA, Washington (through such “Hydra heads” as NATO, the U.S. military, the CIA, the NED, etc) has used mass deception and covert interventions (both hard and soft) to generate chaos so as to precipitate its own overt interventions, and to extend its hegemony. World history since the Second World War has been a tissue of such incidents.
The alien invasion of New York City in Marvel’s Avengers (the previous movie in the Marvel cinematic franchise) was SHIELD’s “9/11,” which it used in Winter Soldier to justify an extreme expansion of its power, in the form of “Project Insight.” Thanks to an algorithm invented by Captain America’s old nemesis Arnim Zola (played by Toby Jones), and the agency’s total access to private data (hello NSA!), SHIELD/HYDRA’s computers can predictively identify anyone in the world who will likely threaten the agency’s power and plans.
This data is used, along with a network of spy satellites that can pinpoint the exact location of anyone on the planet, to target three heavily-armed, autonomous, and stratospheric “Helicarriers,” which are essentially supervillain-scale versions of the drones that are today raining terror, dismemberment, and death throughout South Asia and the Middle East. And note the parallels with Obama’s “kill list” and with the close cooperation among the NSA, the CIA, and the military in the drone program.
One of the greatest moments in the film is when Captain America decides not to try to purge HYDRA from SHIELD, as Nick Fury (played by Samuel L. Jackson) wants to do, and as some minarchist (utopian) libertarians would like to do with the State. Instead, he realizes that SHIELD and HYDRA cannot be disentangled: certainly not practically, and perhaps not even conceptually.
So it is not Captain America, but another character that accomplishes the actual abolition of SHIELD: the Black Widow (played by Scarlett Johansen). And she accomplishes it not with fists, guns, or large metal disks, but with that ultimate weapon, feared by states and other monsters alike: sunlight. After hacking all of SHIELD/HYDRA’s secrets, she simply uploads the entire trove to the internet, after which she dryly notes, “…and it’s trending.”
Did the somewhat-reluctantly applauding audience in Alabama realize they were essentially applauding the causes of Edward Snowden, Ron Paul, and other enemies of the bourgeoning warfare/police state? Surely not all of them; many probably look askance at Paul, and perhaps even revile Snowden. But the overall moral of the film’s story was so clear, that they wouldn’t have clapped at all, if something in it didn’t ring true in their hearts, and if, even inchoately, they didn’t see ominous parallels between SHIELD/HYDRA and the metastasizing, domineering state that rules, threatens, and pretends to protect them. And for that, there is cause to be both grateful and hopeful.
But, also like SHIELD, Washington and its allies were themselves infected with the same statist disease as their foes. They countered the infamous Nazi (National Socialist) domestic policies with the economic regimentation and civil-liberty squashing of the New Deal and of wartime controls, and answered the Nazis’ Holocaust with holocausts of their own, most demonically in Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. (What can be more diabolically super-villainous than the incineration of whole cities, overwhelmingly populated by women, children, and the elderly?)
Like SHIELD/HYDRA, Washington (through such “Hydra heads” as NATO, the U.S. military, the CIA, the NED, etc) has used mass deception and covert interventions (both hard and soft) to generate chaos so as to precipitate its own overt interventions, and to extend its hegemony. World history since the Second World War has been a tissue of such incidents.
The alien invasion of New York City in Marvel’s Avengers (the previous movie in the Marvel cinematic franchise) was SHIELD’s “9/11,” which it used in Winter Soldier to justify an extreme expansion of its power, in the form of “Project Insight.” Thanks to an algorithm invented by Captain America’s old nemesis Arnim Zola (played by Toby Jones), and the agency’s total access to private data (hello NSA!), SHIELD/HYDRA’s computers can predictively identify anyone in the world who will likely threaten the agency’s power and plans.
This data is used, along with a network of spy satellites that can pinpoint the exact location of anyone on the planet, to target three heavily-armed, autonomous, and stratospheric “Helicarriers,” which are essentially supervillain-scale versions of the drones that are today raining terror, dismemberment, and death throughout South Asia and the Middle East. And note the parallels with Obama’s “kill list” and with the close cooperation among the NSA, the CIA, and the military in the drone program.
One of the greatest moments in the film is when Captain America decides not to try to purge HYDRA from SHIELD, as Nick Fury (played by Samuel L. Jackson) wants to do, and as some minarchist (utopian) libertarians would like to do with the State. Instead, he realizes that SHIELD and HYDRA cannot be disentangled: certainly not practically, and perhaps not even conceptually.
So it is not Captain America, but another character that accomplishes the actual abolition of SHIELD: the Black Widow (played by Scarlett Johansen). And she accomplishes it not with fists, guns, or large metal disks, but with that ultimate weapon, feared by states and other monsters alike: sunlight. After hacking all of SHIELD/HYDRA’s secrets, she simply uploads the entire trove to the internet, after which she dryly notes, “…and it’s trending.”
Did the somewhat-reluctantly applauding audience in Alabama realize they were essentially applauding the causes of Edward Snowden, Ron Paul, and other enemies of the bourgeoning warfare/police state? Surely not all of them; many probably look askance at Paul, and perhaps even revile Snowden. But the overall moral of the film’s story was so clear, that they wouldn’t have clapped at all, if something in it didn’t ring true in their hearts, and if, even inchoately, they didn’t see ominous parallels between SHIELD/HYDRA and the metastasizing, domineering state that rules, threatens, and pretends to protect them. And for that, there is cause to be both grateful and hopeful.
There's lots of scenarios they can go with the 3rd movie. Hopefully it will be intriguing like the 2nd movie was but Marvel did the right thing hiring the same writers and bringing the directors back for the 3rd.
I wonder if Cap tapped this in real life?
MooseMouthMthafuga
Veteran
I've been extra careful about what I post on the net.That Algorithm shyt isn't all that far fetched
But damn...never thought I'd see the day where a CA movie would gross over 700 mill.
Marvel caking right now...plus they got Disney behind them.
The next Avengers flick should be spectacular.I remember Joss Whedon saying he had to scrap a lot of ideas for the final battle in Avengers because they couldn't fit it into the budget.
That shouldn't be an excuse now.I believe the budget for the first Avengers was 220 mill....they can do 300 easy.Sequels mostly always do bigger numbers than the first.The first Avengers mad 1.5 BILLION...Part 2 should hit 1.8 Billion at the minimum.
Gone and expand that budget to 300 mill
Just got back from seeing it my second viewing without the wifey so no distractions. Movie was even better the second time around. That end credit sequence was that piff almost felt like it could of been used for James Bond or something
Have to salute the whole production team directors, writers, actors, stunt people, music composers, they really up the ante with this one. Can't wait for the Blu Ray so I can put even more people on to it.
Can't forget the score either by Henry Jackman
Have to salute the whole production team directors, writers, actors, stunt people, music composers, they really up the ante with this one. Can't wait for the Blu Ray so I can put even more people on to it.
Can't forget the score either by Henry Jackman