it makes sense...cotto has quicker feet but canelo has the faster hands..unfortunately canelo nullifies that by having issues on cutting the ring off on his opponents
#CaneloCartel Drops Another Body: The Official Canelo Alvarez vs Miguel Cotto Thread (November 21St)
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it makes sense...cotto has quicker feet but canelo has the faster hands..unfortunately canelo nullifies that by having issues on cutting the ring off on his opponents
MustafaSTL
Achievement In Every Field of Human Endeavor
NeggedPeople still watch boxing....thats cute
Knicksman20
Superstar
He's horrendous at cutting off the ring which gives Cotto a decent shot at winning. Problem is both have stamina issues
HamAndEgger
All Star
Canelo's looking rather thin w/ 4-5 pounds still to cut by Friday
If he puts on too much weight fight night, he could get zapped late into the fight.
If he puts on too much weight fight night, he could get zapped late into the fight.
ok ok...since you keep asking me breh
Saul Canelo Alvarez
Pros
Youth
Raw Power; very strong
Effective body puncher
Great combination puncher
Good beard
Well preserved, not really physically affected by any wars (as @Jello Biafra mentioned rare for a mexican who has fought for 10+ years pro)
Cons
Below average footwork; flat feet
Inability to cut off ring
Defense lacks in spots
Takes rounds off due to stamina issues. This annoys the hell out of me. This guy is in his mid 20s. Stamina issues shouldn't exist.
Miguel Cotto
Pros
Experience; there is nothing that he hasn't seen or faced in the ring
Great Left hook
Excellent jab
Effective body puncher
Good footwork
Very competent boxer-puncher
Cons
Stamina issues; tends to tire late in fight
Mileage (has serious wars under his belt)
Not the most active fighter in the ring.
Defense (depending on focus) can get a little leaky at times
Poor sportsmanship (nothing against his abilities but i feel needs to be mentioned
)Bottom line this is a classic case of youth vs old...now if both of them were relatively of the same physical size I would give the nod to Cotto as in he is far better boxer..but canelo holds a height and reach advantage as well as being the stronger fighter..sometimes that can be enough...perfect example: shawn porter vs paulie malignaggi..they also share stamina issues..so whoever's tank empties last and doesnt hit that S for struggle wins this fight...if it doesn't then ill give the nod to Canelo for winning this fight late KO or decision
iLLusoYuN_Da_Adidas_King
Psn illusoyun
when cotto throws a right hand he has a tendency to throw it with a clean up left hook a lot. a clean up left hook is a left hook that you throw off of a right hand. when you throw a right hand your hips square and your body weight transfers over to your front leg loading that body weight into a left hook that you can use to reset your body back into your stance when you throw it.
when cotto is throwing a right hand with a clean up left hook he has a tendency to trade left hooks a lot.
theres a saying in boxing that you should never hook with a hooker because when you turn your hips to throw a left hook you dont see it coming and you turn into it. that was how lucas matthysse knocked out lamont peterson. heres iran barkley and darrin van horn trading a pair of left hooks.
bob foster was a guy that used to like to trade left hooks a lot. that worked out good for foster for a long time and then he fought joe frazier. cotto is a guy that likes to trade left hooks a lot.
the saying is that you should never hook with a hooker and cotto has a good left hook. but taking a left hook to give a left hook does not always work out good every time for cotto. that was how cotto got hurt repeatedly against ricardo torres.
i think its going to be interesting when cotto and canelo trade left hooks. a lot of things can go wrong when two guys are trading a pair of left hooks. you can try to block it with your right glove but because of the way your body is turning you can turn into it and it hurts you because you dont see it.
in the center of the ring cotto likes to work a jab and run in to steal a combo and get out. likes to be way out or way in. can run into counters on the way in and during a combo. does not throw a lot of counters but does throw a check hook.
canelo is a good combination puncher but only when a guy is very stationary. when you show canelo some movement he gets very picky and ultimately very inactive. likes to counter. against cotto that means canelo can counter the jab or counter the combo. i think that canelo is going to try to wait for cotto to run in and counter the combo. i think that is going to cause canelo to be very inactive during rounds and cause cotto to have more freedom to work a jab in the center of the ring. cotto is in danger of being caught on the way in and during a combo but forces canelo to have to wait a lot to do it.
i dont think canelo can beat cotto waiting and countering. thats going to create a lot of dead gaps of prolonged inactivity and cotto is going to fill in the gaps created by it with jabs. i think canelo has to try to force cotto back to the ropes because cotto has a tendency to willingly sit on and fight off of the ropes a lot. cotto can get very stationary on the ropes and that means canelo can throw more than one punch at a time there. however when canelo is coming forward he likes to maintain a lot of space to counter on the way in and that is going to give cotto a lot of room to get off of the ropes.
cotto has a tendency to get hit with an uppercut because of the way he leans into it.
i think canelo has to be a lot more aggressive and try to incorporate it on the way in. but i dont think thats the kind of fighter that canelo is.
i think canelo is going to come in very carefully looking for something to counter on the way in.
i think that is ultimately going to create a lot of inactivity for canelo and i think cotto is going to use a lot of movement and outwork canelo in the center of the ring.
cotto by decision.
great post.
A1aaa
Respectful Fade Runner & Card Puller
cotto is more technically skilled, but i have canelo winning by split decision. 
it's good for boxing
can't alienate your mexican fanbase and $$$
danny garcia can always step up if cotto fades
canelo/pac-man or canelo/GGG are superfights in the making
it's good for boxing
can't alienate your mexican fanbase and $$$
danny garcia can always step up if cotto fades
canelo/pac-man or canelo/GGG are superfights in the making
HamAndEgger
All Star
when cotto throws a right hand he has a tendency to throw it with a clean up left hook a lot. a clean up left hook is a left hook that you throw off of a right hand. when you throw a right hand your hips square and your body weight transfers over to your front leg loading that body weight into a left hook that you can use to reset your body back into your stance when you throw it.
when cotto is throwing a right hand with a clean up left hook he has a tendency to trade left hooks a lot.
theres a saying in boxing that you should never hook with a hooker because when you turn your hips to throw a left hook you dont see it coming and you turn into it. that was how lucas matthysse knocked out lamont peterson. heres iran barkley and darrin van horn trading a pair of left hooks.
bob foster was a guy that used to like to trade left hooks a lot. that worked out good for foster for a long time and then he fought joe frazier. cotto is a guy that likes to trade left hooks a lot.
the saying is that you should never hook with a hooker and cotto has a good left hook. but taking a left hook to give a left hook does not always work out good every time for cotto. that was how cotto got hurt repeatedly against ricardo torres.
i think its going to be interesting when cotto and canelo trade left hooks. a lot of things can go wrong when two guys are trading a pair of left hooks. you can try to block it with your right glove but because of the way your body is turning you can turn into it and it hurts you because you dont see it.
in the center of the ring cotto likes to work a jab and run in to steal a combo and get out. likes to be way out or way in. can run into counters on the way in and during a combo. does not throw a lot of counters but does throw a check hook.
canelo is a good combination puncher but only when a guy is very stationary. when you show canelo some movement he gets very picky and ultimately very inactive. likes to counter. against cotto that means canelo can counter the jab or counter the combo. i think that canelo is going to try to wait for cotto to run in and counter the combo. i think that is going to cause canelo to be very inactive during rounds and cause cotto to have more freedom to work a jab in the center of the ring. cotto is in danger of being caught on the way in and during a combo but forces canelo to have to wait a lot to do it.
i dont think canelo can beat cotto waiting and countering. thats going to create a lot of dead gaps of prolonged inactivity and cotto is going to fill in the gaps created by it with jabs. i think canelo has to try to force cotto back to the ropes because cotto has a tendency to willingly sit on and fight off of the ropes a lot. cotto can get very stationary on the ropes and that means canelo can throw more than one punch at a time there. however when canelo is coming forward he likes to maintain a lot of space to counter on the way in and that is going to give cotto a lot of room to get off of the ropes.
cotto has a tendency to get hit with an uppercut because of the way he leans into it.
i think canelo has to be a lot more aggressive and try to incorporate it on the way in. but i dont think thats the kind of fighter that canelo is.
i think canelo is going to come in very carefully looking for something to counter on the way in.
i think that is ultimately going to create a lot of inactivity for canelo and i think cotto is going to use a lot of movement and outwork canelo in the center of the ring.
cotto by decision.
On point!!! Touched on a lot of things I've been saying in the lead up.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
Making 160 > making 155 for a middleweight fight
Rigo on ppv > winky ward on ppv
Your struggle chatty patty posts
You learned "chatty patty" only 8 months after it came out, good job
I'm still waiting for you to tell me how they are straining themselves
do even know anything about the weight cutting process. 
because from these struggle posts it doesn't seem like it. what's good with that avi bet tho lets get someone in that avi who does know about the weight cutting process in there :sog:that smiley is horrible by the way take that shyt back to the lab
krackdagawd
Inspire.
he doesn't do that friend don't know why you are expecting it
he can however tell you what jobber fought on unimas last sat at ECW time
krackdagawd
Inspire.
Canelo is NOT losing this fight
Cotto hasn't ever beaten a fighter on the level of Canelo Alvarez....and he's not going to be able to do so on Saturday either
#CaneloCartel
:canelocartel:
I think Canelo is going to get the best of him in the times he does exchange, Martinez(no knees)/Gaele(no skills) couldn't but Trout whose hands are close to Canelo's speed could. I Picking Canelo but i still think it's a 50/50 fight.
Do you know what the odds are for this fight?
O.T.I.S.
Veteran
If it goes the distance I got it for Cotto
If not, then Canelo drops him in middle rounds
I'm leaning towards Canelo but him fukking with Oscar makes me want him to lose just so Oscar can take another L this month.
If not, then Canelo drops him in middle rounds
I'm leaning towards Canelo but him fukking with Oscar makes me want him to lose just so Oscar can take another L this month.
krackdagawd
Inspire.
let's not put Oscar's fakkitry on Young Ricardo Flair 
Yep.
Lowest odds: Bovada (which is what I typically use when I do the odds) currently has Canelo as a -250 favorite and Cotto as a +195 underdog.
Highest odds: Cesars Palace currently has Canelo as a -350 favorite and Cotto as a +290 underdog.
what feud? krack is just purging all the menstrual blood thats filled his body as of late. pat has sympathy for individuals who have daily monthlys. its a sad way to live really
but i shared my thoughts breh