Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau accuses Indian government of involvement in killing of Canadian Sikh leader

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So you think Canada's moral authority would come from remaining silent about assassinations. :mjlol:


If they didn't do enough to stop the assassination beforehand, then THAT is the problem. Staying silent afterward is only some magic redemption for fukkups in your cynical political world, where any sin can be erased so long as you spin it right afterwards.

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In what bizarro world does that help your case? :dead: :dead: :dead:

I swear sometimes you are just playing word association in these arguments with no clue what you're actually saying. Turn off all your social media and close your eyes for five minutes. Then look at what you just posted, think about how it doesn't help your case at all, then see if you can try a different argument.
 

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In what bizarro world does that help your case? :dead: :dead: :dead:

I swear sometimes you are just playing word association in these arguments with no clue what you're actually saying. Turn off all your social media and close your eyes for five minutes. Then look at what you just posted, think about how it doesn't help your case at all, then see if you can try a different argument.

Domestic politics affect perceptions of competence.

India is India. Canada is ... not India. India is more powerful in this instance.

if India can just do this, then Canada and CANADIANS will look at Trudeau's government as too weak to stop a murder they knew was imminent.
 

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Domestic politics affect perceptions of competence.

India is India. Canada is ... not India. India is more powerful in this instance.

if India can just do this, then Canada and CANADIANS will look at Trudeau's government as too weak to stop a murder they knew was imminent.


So you don't get moral authority from doing the right thing, you get moral authority from....staying quiet when someone does the wrong thing, so you don't look weak.
 

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So you don't get moral authority from doing the right thing, you get moral authority from....staying quiet when someone does the wrong thing, so you don't look weak.

aren’t some of yall asking the USA to stop funding Ukraine to prevent nuclear holocaust or something?

Deescalation works that way…
 

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aren’t some of yall asking the USA to stop funding Ukraine to prevent nuclear holocaust or something?

Who is "y'all" and how does this even relate to the discussion? I have never once said that we should remain silent or inactive on atrocity in order to appease enemies and fulfill strategic aims. I'm against escalating wars because I think it leads to more deaths and suffering for people, not fewer. I think we should have gone all-out to help Ukraine against Russia, done much more than we did, I just don't think we should have used war machines and turned a bunch of Ukrainians into cannon fodder to do it.

That, of course, could put us down a rabbit hole of ideological and historical differences that you're not ready to have.
 

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Who is "y'all" and how does this even relate to the discussion? I have never once said that we should remain silent or inactive on atrocity in order to appease enemies and fulfill strategic aims. I'm against escalating wars because I think it leads to more deaths and suffering for people, not fewer. I think we should have gone all-out to help Ukraine against Russia, done much more than we did, I just don't think we should have used war machines and turned a bunch of Ukrainians into cannon fodder to do it.

That, of course, could put us down a rabbit hole of ideological and historical differences that you're not ready to have.
This is how I know you’re full of shyt sometimes. I did not say that you actually thought this. It was a fukking metaphor. Then what do you do? You go overboard trying to flex like you’re intellectually dexterous and well read on the topic while missing the point.

Yes geopolitics isn’t about morality but rather leverage and interests. So yes it’s possible Canada was going to ignore this.
 

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aren’t some of yall asking the USA to stop funding Ukraine to prevent nuclear holocaust or something?
This is how I know you’re full of shyt sometimes. I did not say that you actually thought this. It was a fukking metaphor.


shyt like this is why I blocked you for five years the first time. :mjlol:
 

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shyt like this is why I blocked you for five years the first time. :mjlol:
I did not say YOU were pro-Russia. I'm talking about a general sentiment. Are you really this daft? I'm starting to think you might be on the spectrum because theres no reason for you to take so much shyt this personally just to conveniently ignore my point about how geopolitics works.


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Diplomacy is difficult.
 

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U.S. Provided Canada With Intelligence on Killing of Sikh Leader
American intelligence gave assistance, but communications intercepted by Canada were more definitive in linking India to the killing of Hardeep Singh Nijjar.

Sept. 23, 2023Updated 4:16 p.m. ET
Men wearing turbans standing amid yellow flags and a poster of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, wearing a blue turban and a black hoodie.
Demonstrators outside the Consulate General of India in Vancouver after the shooting of Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a Sikh separatist leader, in June. Ethan Cairns/The Canadian Press, via Associated Press
American spy agencies provided information to Ottawa after the killing of a Sikh separatist leader but Canada developed the most definitive intelligence that led it to accuse India of orchestrating the plot, according to Western allied officials.

In the aftermath of the killing, U.S. intelligence agencies offered their Canadian counterparts context that helped Canada conclude that India had been involved. Yet what appears to be the “smoking gun,” intercepted communications of Indian diplomats in Canada indicating involvement in the plot, was gathered by Canadian officials, allied officials said.

While Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken has called on India to cooperate with the Canadian investigation, American officials have largely tried to avoid triggering any diplomatic blowback from India. But the disclosure of the involvement of U.S. intelligence risks ensnaring Washington in the diplomatic battle between Canada and India at a time when it is keen to develop New Delhi as a closer partner.

The United States did not learn about the plot, or evidence pointing to India’s involvement in it, until after operatives had killed the Sikh leader, Hardeep Singh Nijjar, allied officials said.

Two men fatally shot Mr. Nijjar, a Canadian citizen who had advocated independence for a Sikh-majority region of India, in the Vancouver area on June 18.

Before the killing, Canadian officials had told Mr. Nijjar that he was in danger. Several friends and associates of Mr. Nijjar said that he had been warned repeatedly about threats against him and had been cautioned to avoid the temple.

After his death, American officials told their Canadian counterparts that Washington had not had any advance information about the plot, and that if U.S. officials had they would have immediately informed Ottawa under the intelligence agencies’ “duty to warn” doctrine, according to two allied officials.

The officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss what has become a diplomatic firestorm, said Canadian officials had offered a general warning to Mr. Nijjar, but had not told him that he was the target of an Indian government plot.

The United States routinely, and automatically, shares huge amounts of intercepted communications with its closest intelligence partners, including Canada. But the contextual information about the killing was shared deliberately as part of a package of various intelligence streams.

A spokesman for the White House declined to comment. U.S. officials were reluctant to discuss the killing because although Washington wants to assist Canada, a close ally, it does not want to alienate India, a partner with which it is hoping to expand ties as a counterbalance to China’s rising influence in Asia.

The accusation has created a diplomatic rift between Ottawa and New Delhi, leading each to expel the other’s intelligence officers and India to suspend visas for Canadians.

Nevertheless, the killing, and the alleged involvement of the Indian government, has shocked officials in Washington. While democratic countries conduct targeted killings in unstable countries or regions and the spy services of more authoritarian governments — namely Russia — orchestrate assassinations anywhere they choose, it is unusual for a democratic country to conduct a lethal covert action in another democracy.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Canadian officials have declined to release the specifics of the intelligence Canada has gathered about India. Canadian officials say it is important not to compromise the Royal Canadian Mounted Police’s investigation of the murder.

Allied officials would not describe in detail the intelligence shared by the United States.

A Canadian government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information, said the government had received intelligence from multiple countries.

The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation earlier reported that the Canadian government had gathered communications of Indian diplomats in Canada.

A native of Windsor, Ontario, Ian Austen was educated in Toronto and currently lives in Ottawa. He has reported for The Times about Canada for more than a decade. More about Ian Austen

A version of this article appears in print on Sept. 24, 2023, Section A, Page 13 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Spy Agencies Said to Aid Ottawa After Killing of Separatist. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
 
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