Canada closes Iran embassy, set to oust diplomats

[Gallo]

What evidence is there that Iran would be this irrational actor that you fear?

The problem isn't that they may be irrational, the problem is that they ARE rational. Rational actors seek power to maximize their security hence nuclear power. More power is ok for me in a stable liberal government. That's not ok in a country run by imams in a very volatile part of the world where we hold important regional interests. If we can prevent it, we should. We are behaving rationally, it would be irrational of us to allow them to increase their relative power politically and militarily in very volatile part of the world where we hold important interests.

 

[88m3]

I'll deal with you tools when I have a laptop on Wednesday.


Tech thanks for getting back to me on on Quebec.
I see where I got mixed up. I find it really interesting.

Nextguy Ive been to twenty plus countries

 

[the next guy]

The problem isn't that they may be irrational, the problem is that they ARE rational. Rational actors seek power to maximize their security hence nuclear power. More power is ok for me in a stable liberal government. That's not ok in a country run by imams in a very volatile part of the world where we have important regional interests. If we can prevent it, we should. We are behaving rationally, it would be irrational of us to let them increase their relative power politically and militarily in very volatile part of the world.

See this, argument is fine(nice use of international relations btw). Just admit it about the US and Saudi keeping their choke hold over the middle east. Most of the Islamic terrorists come from Saudi Arabia too.

 

[zerozero]

Okay. Time to get dirty.

So 88m3 and TWISM are trying to play the pro black and pro american card. Trying to walk on both sides, eh? Pro Black should above all else. Wesley pipes quotes has it right. Now this affects my country and Iran, affecting travel for thousands, what the hell is your petty beef with islam doing in here. And why not the same virulence against Christianity, which was used to enslave people, much like Islam. Your personal agenda has no relevance to this situation, not for a second.

I am the product of a catholic father and baptist mother so do come after me as an islam supporter. I am talking about you using the article to push your agenda.

Religion is lame and out of date.

TWISM is a child when it comes to politics, just ignore him

88m3 would like nothing more to be a 19th century harrumphing british lord, it's kinda sad

 

[the next guy]

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[Robbie3000]

The problem isn't that they may be irrational, the problem is that they ARE rational. Rational actors seek power to maximize their security hence nuclear power. More power is ok for me in a stable liberal government. That's not ok in a country run by imams in a very volatile part of the world where we have important regional interests. If we can prevent it, we should. We are behaving rationally, it would be irrational of us to let them increase their relative power politically and militarily in very volatile part of the world where we hold important interests.

On one hand you say that they are rational, but then you make the assumption that the imams will not act rationally while not providing any evidence to back up this assumption.

 

[theworldismine13]

On one hand you say that they are rational, but then you make the assumption that the imams will not act rationally while not providing any evidence to back up this assumption.

i think he explained it perfectly but its going over your head

the thing you don't get is that iran is not a victim, iran itself is a wannabe imperialistic power, and its fighting for influence against the US and other western oriented powers in the region

iran having a nuclear bomb will increase it influence and its reach, and that is not acceptable, so in the fight over influence im simply siding with the US, i think US influence in the middle east>>>>>> iranian theocratic influence

like gallo said, if its some kind of democracy, even if it was superficial like pakistan and india i would be neutral, but as iran is now, hell the fuk no, they should not be allowed to get a nuclear weapon

 

[Gallo]

On one hand you say that they are rational, but then you make the assumption that the imams will not act rationally while not providing any evidence to back up this assumption.

No again, the concern is that those imams will behave rationally. Rational in politics is basically increasing relative power to maximize security. Do you want a theocratic government to hold an increasing amount of political and military power? especially in volatile region where we hold interests? I don't. You don't want them teaching creationism in school but you're ok with them holding the keys to nuclear weapons.

 

[Techniec]

The problem isn't that they may be irrational, the problem is that they ARE rational. Rational actors seek power to maximize their security hence nuclear power. More power is ok for me in a stable liberal government. That's not ok in a country run by imams in a very volatile part of the world where we hold important regional interests. If we can prevent it, we should. We are behaving rationally, it would be irrational of us to allow them to increase their relative power politically and militarily in very volatile part of the world where we hold important interests.

Thank you

an argument i can fukin respect

there is no morals to politics. all these clowns talking about un conventions and ohh those eye ranians are so evil

 

[Robbie3000]

No again, the concern is that those imams will behave rationally. Rational in politics is basically increasing relative power to maximize security. Do you want a theocratic government to hold an increasing amount of political and military power? especially in volatile region where we hold interests? I don't. You don't want them teaching creationism in school but you're ok with them holding the keys to nuclear weapons.

I don't have this fear of them holding the keys to nuclear weapons because I believe they will behave rationally. Pakistan has nukes and how much influence do they exert in the region? I think this posture we have taken with respect to Iran is counter productive. We actually aid Iran's imperialistic goals by our meddling in other nation's affairs.

But I'm looking at this issue objectively and not necessarily through America's lenses.

 

[zerozero]

I don't have this fear of them holding the keys to nuclear weapons because I believe they will behave rationally. Pakistan has nukes and how much influence do they exert in the region? I think this posture we have taken with respect to Iran is counter productive. We actually aid Iran's imperialistic goals by our meddling in other nation's affairs.

But I'm looking at this issue objectively and not necessarily through America's lenses.

I think it's a bit sad in a way, Iran can be more of a natural ally to America than the Saudis are if you think of it.. the only reason USA/Iran have beef is a historical accident

 

[thekingsmen]

i think most americans might not know the all the background history but there was an american hostage crisis in iran in the 80's, iranians screaming death to america doesnt help a lot either and most americans do not want a theocracy having a nuclear bomb

You sir are an idiot.

1. Before that U.S. overthrew a Democracy of Iran in 1953 and installed a Dictator "The Shah".

2. The hostage crisis started in 1979 and ended in 1980( in January).

3. Payback for keeping the hostages...U.S. gave Saddam Hussein dirty bombs and other chemical weapons and went to war with Iran killing over 1 Million Iranians from 1980-1988.

4. To make things worse a U.S. warship shoots down a Iranian Jetliner killing 300 people on board in 1988.


Now you tell me why you are crying about them saying what they say.

 

[thekingsmen]

theworldismine hasn't read the Talmud when he speaks of dirty filty pedo religion.

 

[theworldismine13]

You sir are an idiot.

1. Before that U.S. overthrew a Democracy of Iran in 1953 and installed a Dictator "The Shah".

2. The hostage crisis started in 1979 and ended in 1980( in January).

3. Payback for keeping the hostages...U.S. gave Saddam Hussein dirty bombs and other chemical weapons and went to war with Iran killing over 1 Million Iranians from 1980-1988.

4. To make things worse a U.S. warship shoots down a Iranian Jetliner killing 300 people on board in 1988.


Now you tell me why you are crying about them saying what they say.

Yeah, and even taking into consideration legitimate grievances I still say that Iran should be stopped from getting nuclear weapons

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I think it's a bit sad in a way, Iran can be more of a natural ally to America than the Saudis are if you think of it.. the only reason USA/Iran have beef is a historical accident

Yup. We should show the Saudis in the bushes and develop more of a strategic alliance with Iran, which is more modernistic and secular.