Can we stop acting like Talib Kweli isn't the Silk the Shocker of the East coast

[Damnshow]

flow is very important part of the game, that's why too many people cant fukk with artists who rap too many words offbeat like k-rino, canibus, chino xl and so on... kweli however was fortunate to work with artists like mos def who helped his career tremendeously.

if I wanna hear a socially conscious off-beat rapper I would rather listen to immortal technique, at least his shyt is heavy while artists like kweli been always a snoozefest unless the beat is dope like get by, listen, the blast...

 

[Ronnie Lott]

A lot of people don't understand that sometimes some rappers MEAN to rap off beat, it's a style....

Nas who is respected on here (deservedly so) and sucked off by some raps off beat at times too, he means to in many cases, it's called an off beat flow or a conversational flow, KRS did it too at times.

There's no difference with Kweli, he can rap on beat or rap off beat/conversational. What matters is whether or not it works, and it does for his fan base.

If Kweli couldn't rap he wouldn't have made Black Starr with Mos, Reflection Eternal, Quality, Beautiful
Struggle and other dope ish.

It's a shame there's so much ignorance here, by all means don't like his flow, but it's stupid to if any anybody says he can't flow or rap.

People say the same shyt about RZA, these dudes ain't dumb or hacks, RZA's STYLE is that, because is supposed to be blunt, raw and aggressive, same with E-40, he wants to rap like that, hating on people who have a different style is 1 of of the reasons for so much generic ish. We want to hear all kinds of ish...

Kweli is an excellent MC....

So you agree that he has in fact rapped horribly off beat. He's tried to fit too many words and syllables in one bar. It's sloppy, lazy and not the sign of a crafty mc

 

[pointproven214]

So you agree that he has in fact rapped horribly off beat. He's tried to fit too many words and syllables in one bar. It's sloppy, lazy and not the sign of a crafty mc

he does not put that many syllables in his lines then the normal mc which is 11-15 syllables per bar

you need sets of 4 syllables to fit inside bar measure so not imo he does not rap off beat

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Let's be real Talib raps off beat and has ruined so many great beats with his rambling
There will be a smooth ass beat from Dilla, Ye, 9th etc and this nikka will start rambling off beat for 6 minutes








nikka was spittin off beat jibberish fukkin up another great beat

His verse on respiration is one of the best verses I've ever heard.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

His verse on respiration is one of the best verses I've ever heard.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

he does not put that many syllables in his lines then the normal mc which is 11-15 syllables per bar

you need sets of 4 syllables to fit inside bar measure so not imo he does not rap off beat

@the cac mamba look at this shyt

 

[pointproven214]

@the cac mamba look at this shyt

can't refute it lmao smh.

 

[Rekkapryde]

@Ronnie Lott you hell for this one

Kwelity was dope to me

Respiration though fam

 

[the cac mamba]

he does not put that many syllables in his lines then the normal mc which is 11-15 syllables per bar

you need sets of 4 syllables to fit inside bar measure so not imo he does not rap off beat

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[Brofato]

Fact. imagine u link a bytch for the first time n pick her up playing e40

bytch gon thro herself out the whip on some gucci shyt

I immediately imagined her walking up to the car and when she opens the door the first thing she hears is a loud ass "OOOH" and slamming the door and walking back.

 

[BigMan]

remember when people used to pretend he was just as ill as Mos Def, if not iller?! Looking back on those struggle convos

Talib isn't terrible. He has some dope tracks. He's got a good pen game. His voice is a lil questionable but depending on his flow and the beat he can still sound good.

woah I agree wit h you

 

[The Ruler 09]

So you agree that he has in fact rapped horribly off beat. He's tried to fit too many words and syllables in one bar. It's sloppy, lazy and not the sign of a crafty mc

No I don't, because you used to word horribly, I agree he's deliberately rapped off beat as that's his stylistic preference yes, so has Nas, KRS-One and countless others. I prefer someone to be able to switch it up and not be constantly just on beat, it's good to be able to play with it sometimes. In your opinion, to me he has a style that's fine for him and me as a listener. He's had countless times where he raps on beat too, not everything has to be 1 set way or it's boring.

 

[The Ruler 09]

So are the dudes that are trying to be cool hating on Kweli saying Black Starr, Reflection Eternal, Quality, Beautiful Struggle etc are wack now? They don't show no skill no? If show shyt is another dimension on here lol.

Listen to this regularly....

 

[EndDomination]

same can be said for E-40..

I think E-40 has one of the best flows in hip-hop, its as entertaining as it is humorous.
His verses have silly direction, but they feel "complete" a lot of the time it sounds like Kweli just 1/2 writes a verse that sounds semi-good and spits it.
And I'm a Kweli fan, and love Black Star.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

same can be said for E-40..

40 has more songs wore he has rode the hell out of the beat than talib n silkk together..

dj quiks the preom...is the only time i have ever heard kweli..ride a beat