Can we stop acting like Talib Kweli isn't the Silk the Shocker of the East coast

[Flav]

A lot of youngstaz on this board haven't event listened to a full Nas or Ice Cube album...


But somehow can give an opinion on the skill of 90s underground mc that never sold much.


Something is telling me half of y'all that's "hating" is fishing for daps from youngstaz on here that never really listened to none of is music in the first place.

 

[TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?]

Dumbest thread of the year

 

[nose hair]

Let's be real Talib raps off beat and has ruined so many great beats with his rambling
There will be a smooth ass beat from Dilla, Ye, 9th etc and this nikka will start rambling off beat for 6 minutes








nikka was spittin off beat jibberish fukkin up another great beat

True

Thanks for reminding of Good Morning, I hadn't listen to this song in over a decade

 

[:-)]

He's not my cup of tea. He's okay but I can take him in small doses.

 

[C-Styles]

Talib birth my early style at one point so i salute him

I have too much respect for Kweli to ever sh*t on him.

Matter a fact, "QUALITY" got me through high school, just the way the soul samples we're the soundtrack to my life at that point

Just face it, some MCs are not for you and we'll leave it at that

but to say he didn't kill




or



is just blasphemous!

He caught Kanye right at his prime in production

off topic: and that's why Kanye will never do wrong for me

He gave careers a second chance like Kweli and Dialated people, not only by great production but by giving them HITS

sometimes yall just need to respect the artist for what they've accomplished and leave it at that.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

2 tracks 'the blast' and 'beautiful' w/ mos def ............. the rest is hot garbage.

dude just rambling incoherent boring enyclopedia gimmick trash.

 

[Hope]

Never got deep into his catalogue, followed him when he first had a buzz. Used to own about three of his early record. Good songs, but he does ramble sort of. I prefer Canibus for long-winded dudes.

Caught him live, and his voice was much deeper, he sounded horrible with the DJ. One of the worst rap performances I've seen live.

 

[BO BARON]

I never really listen to talib like that but i thought he was pretty dope tho


But silk was dope fukk you suckas talking about

 

[Art Barr]

What "flow" He was all off beat and it's not even debatable.

Talib was offkey not offbeat.
Which comes from talib putting to many syllables per bar in every rhyme every line.
Which makes him incapable of pocketing flows.
Plus, he could not pocket flows with any vocal tonality.



Anyway, I been told y'all the better Talib who had the skills that talib, lacked was sun.





Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

I never really listen to talib like that but i thought he was pretty dope tho


But silk was dope fukk you suckas talking about

Silk is one of the worst rappers ever allowed near a mic.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

ear drum my fav album of his cause it was his best flow through a whole project

mos def use to do some of the black star songs by himself during shows and he finesses talib lines better then talib would emphasis certain words / drop word out or two etc

new york rapper of a certain era are more about the words then the flow

mega doom talib

its just a style

Not really them nikkaz just as not nice in the sonic land scape change cause technically they never wanted to improve from out of ego.
or really were never nice like that and gifted where they got except for doom.
Or in doom's case had issues from black b*stard imagery.
that he never sought to get better and use a weird gimmick as a crutch.
to cover it up and as an excuse.



Art Barr

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

same can be said for E-40..

He's from the Bay ...he started this offbeat rap ish

 

[Art Barr]

A lot of people don't understand that sometimes some rappers MEAN to rap off beat, it's a style....

Nas who is respected on here (deservedly so) and sucked off by some raps off beat at times too, he means to in many cases, it's called an off beat flow or a conversational flow, KRS did it too at times.

There's no difference with Kweli, he can rap on beat or rap off beat/conversational. What matters is whether or not it works, and it does for his fan base.

If Kweli couldn't rap he wouldn't have made Black Starr with Mos, Reflection Eternal, Quality, Beautiful
Struggle and other dope ish.

It's a shame there's so much ignorance here, by all means don't like his flow, but it's stupid to if any anybody says he can't flow or rap.

People say the same shyt about RZA, these dudes ain't dumb or hacks, RZA's STYLE is that, because is supposed to be blunt, raw and aggressive, same with E-40, he wants to rap like that, hating on people who have a different style is 1 of of the reasons for so much generic ish. We want to hear all kinds of ish...

Kweli is an excellent MC....

THERE is no offbeat style,.....nikkaz just not really skilled for real on that actual sonic landscape.
Especially after the technical evolution ushered in by nas to close out the styles war era ending in 1993.

I think you are also confusing some krs run on flows in the styles war era.
or that track may have been made in the issues krs had in his struggles.
to adJust To the bpm pocket change in rap post jiggy sonic landscape changE.
everyone had issues adjusting to or ramped at the right time like FINESSE on the awakening who was ahead of his time. or Busta who is pretty much as top tier an emcee.
who was ever created who never suffered any real hiccups in any sonic landscape change and also was just naturally versatile in skillset adjustment in different landscapes and eras. although I wanna say even Busta has a weird adjustment in that post jiggy to universal dominance era a few time but his pioneering oversaturation method and workrate in those eras of change quickly enabled himself to write himself out of it. As busta workrate incomparison to finesse is night and as far as bulk.
Yet, it is very few emcees who adjusted their skillsets ahead of the era and change in pocket with the post jiggy to universal sonic landscape change.
So, guys who really never improved skillwise era to era really have nostalgia and loyalty fanbase wise. they still were able to draw somehow when that you usually was a deathknell.

Art Barr

 

[Morose Polymath]

Talib's early work with Mood is phenomenal tho

 

[alpo]

His verse on respiration is one of the best verses I've ever heard.