Can we stop acting like Talib Kweli isn't the Silk the Shocker of the East coast

[tuckgod]

2 tracks 'the blast' and 'beautiful' w/ mos def ............. the rest is hot garbage.

dude just rambling incoherent boring enyclopedia gimmick trash.

Have you listened to the Reflection Eternal albums, The Black Star album, Eardrum?!

FOH nikka

 

[CashmereThoughts]

It's not about WHAT HES SAYING, it's about HOW HE'S delivering it

Are you not familiar with cadence and flow

Yes I'm familiar with cadence, and although his cadence is unorthodox I think it's dope.

 

[Flav]

Man what are you talkin about

You brought up everything but the point of this thread

If you can't connect the topic to what I said I can see why you don't like a rapper a like Talib. Your train of thought is too shallow to comprehend different levels of explanation.

Let's be real Talib raps off beat and has ruined so many great beats with his rambling
There will be a smooth ass beat from Dilla, Ye, 9th etc and this nikka will start rambling off beat for 6 minutes








nikka was spittin off beat jibberish fukkin up another great beat

Those verses sound pretty damn clean and on beat to me. You sure you posted the right songs as your claim?

 

[HipHopFeeling]

he often is..worst is, he can actually flow pretty well...seems like a choice

 

[Lord Mecca]

nikkas in here gettin heated like people saying he's cramming too many words into bars = Talib is wack. I (and a lot of others who agree) didn't say the nikka is wack at all... we said he's hard to listen to with his double word stuffed bars. That's all.

 

[King P]

I'm a Kweli fan, but you can't act like he don't be all over the place on tracks.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

If you can't connect the topic to what I said I can see why you don't like a rapper a like Talib. Your train of thought is too shallow to comprehend different levels of explanation.






Those verses sound pretty damn clean and on beat to me. You sure you posted the right songs as your claim?

1/10 trolling

 

[SirBiatch]

it's cool to troll but your favorite new-school "goat lyricist" hasn't made a track this deep, fun to listen to and coherent

Man... when this shyt came out

 

[Taadow]

nikkas in here gettin heated like people saying he's cramming too many words into bars = Talib is wack. I (and a lot of others who agree) didn't say the nikka is wack at all... we said he's hard to listen to with his double word stuffed bars. That's all.

These niccas be quick to jump out the window on chit like this instead of using their deductive reasoning abilities.

 

[newworldafro]

In my rotating Top 5.
He can definitely fit a lot of words into a few measurements of time, but it sounds dope, and he's actually saying something interesting in the process. one of the GOATs.

Mos would body him on every track. I know Mos used to be lookin at this nikka record in the studio like

...you might get sued by class action Stan lawsuit for libel like this. In the beginning, they were both evenly yoked in the lyrics, rhymes, subject matter and delivery. The only think Mos has/had over Talib is charisma, which could be a description of delivery. Kind of like Method Man is for Wu or Andre 3000 is for Outkast. Which shows a pattern, cause they all 3 have the most acting credentials in their respective groups.

But as I've said for several years now, any competition between Mos and Talib total body of work is no longer possible, because Talib has consistently continued to make albums. For the most part all high caliber respectable tracks. If Mos had at least attempted to keep somewhat on pace with Talib, you could make the argument for who is better, but no more.

I'll actually buy the fact that he can pack a lot of words into a verse, and it'll sound slightly off, but he lets off the consonant accelerator, and gets back on beat typically. That's his style, and he's coherent in the process.

 

[newworldafro]

My two favorite most recent Talib tracks. Ironically, these tracks are polar opposites as far as content. What GOAT level lyricist isn't contradictory though?

 

[Lord Mecca]

...you might get sued by class action Stan lawsuit for libel like this. In the beginning, they were both evenly yoked in the lyrics, rhymes, subject matter and delivery.

nikka that's the biggest croc of shyt I heard in a minute. They were NEVER CLOSE to even – Mos Def held a high standard from well before the Black Star album from features, appearances and mentions. He was the full package. Talib came outta nowhere and excited nobody.

There are several verses on the first Black Star album that proved Mos was ahead of Talib (Talib doesn't have a verse like Thieves in the Night; in fact never will), hence why Black On Both Sides came first and was backed by the producers it was backed by (DJ Premier, Diamond D, Ali Shaheed Muhammed, Ayatollah). Talib didn't have a cold chance in hell to do that in '99. Why? I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

NOBODY and I mean NOBODY was saying those guys were EVEN. Mos Def was ALWAYS clearly the breadwinner... y'all stop it

I LIKE TALIB. I own Train of Thought (fukkin classic), Quality, Eardrum, Liberation.... but let's not compare Mos and Talib at any point in time as if they were ever comparable smh

 

[newworldafro]

nikka that's the biggest croc of shyt I heard in a minute. They were NEVER CLOSE to even – Mos Def held a high standard from well before the Black Star album from features, appearances and mentions. He was the full package. Talib came outta nowhere and excited nobody.

There are several verses on the first Black Star album that proved Mos was ahead of Talib (Talib doesn't have a verse like Thieves in the Night; in fact never will), hence why Black On Both Sides came first and was backed by the producers it was backed by (DJ Premier, Diamond D, Ali Shaheed Muhammed, Ayatollah). Talib didn't have a cold chance in hell to do that in '99. Why? I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

NOBODY and I mean NOBODY was saying those guys were EVEN. Mos Def was ALWAYS clearly the breadwinner... y'all stop it

I LIKE TALIB. I own Train of Thought (fukkin classic), Quality, Eardrum, Liberation.... but let's not compare Mos and Talib at any point in time as if they were ever comparable smh

Talib's discography at this point makes Mos a moot point. It's like Jay Electronica and Killah Priest. Yeah Jay Elec was the 2nd Coming in his particular niche of hip hop...but he literally stop producing in any volume of music to even analyze.

Check wikipedia, Talib has put out 17 albums, either solo or in collaboration. Mos Def maybe 6....and if anyone says True Magic or The Ecstatic were good hip hop albums, I feel for you...

I said Mos Def was the more charismatic one...great..but that was almost 20 years ago. Would I check for a Mos album, of course, but Talib has surpassed Mos Def if we talking discography. Mos hasn't shown and proven anything since 2009. Even Nas goes in every 3 - 5years.

 

[Lord Mecca]

Talib's discography at this point makes Mos a moot point. It's like Jay Electronica and Killah Priest. Yeah Jay Elec was the 2nd Coming in his particular niche of hip hop...but he literally stop producing in any volume of music to even analyze.

Check wikipedia, Talib has put out 17 albums, either solo or in collaboration. Mos Def maybe 6....and if anyone says True Magic or The Ecstatic were good hip hop albums, I feel for you...

I said Mos Def was the more charismatic one...great..but that was almost 20 years ago. Would I check for a Mos album, of course, but Talib has surpassed Mos Def if we talking discography. Mos hasn't shown and proven anything since 2009. Even Nas goes in every 3 - 5years.

What on God's green earth does how many albums someone put out have to do with anything I said? Wow he has a ton of output. How many of Talib's 17 releases are worth mentioning? Two? Three? At the end of the day you think that Talib's 17 albums will be more memorable or had more impact than Mos Def's six albums?

Hell no... Kweli hasn't even released 17 solo albums. Stop it. Half of his releases are collabs. Either Mos himself, Hi-Tek, Madlib, Res, 9th Wonder or someone else. You go double check that discog. Compilations he was on don't count as albums breh... neither do mixtapes just because Wikipedia says it was for sale.

And how the hell are you gonna compare Mos Def and Jay Electronica

Who is Mos Def's Killah Priest? There is not a Mos Def before Mos Def unlike Killah Priest before Jay Electronica. Mos Def is not the 2nd coming of anybody. Secondly, Jay Electronica has never released an album period – let alone a Black On Both Sides... so that comparison is just filth.

 

[N711oir]

I wouldn't go so far as to say silk the shocker

But talib does have many moments where I'm like the f*ck is you sayin

Like he can't find the beat if life depended on it

He does have some hits don't get me wrong

But like anyone in MLB can hit a home run few can do so consistently

That's why I think "flow" is such an underrated art in hiphop

You can throw in papoose e40

With talib it's verbal diarrhea

He literally can't compose himself from sh*tting on a track and not in a good way

You have to edit your thoughts, sometimes your point or message can get lost in the verbal minutia

Some people with raw talent are fine, fully capable of harnessing their genius and succeeding others need direction many of the afore mentioned artist for the most part have been independent.

They always say and I've witnessed better ball players at the Rucker than NBA

But it's a reason why the NBA is a billion dollar business the other is not.

Organization and direction.

Racial discrimination in business practices aside

But that's what I believe his flaw is. And why he distributes music which for the most part sounds, feels like cheese graters on the ears