Can we ban the words "bad writing", "plot armor", "rushed" and "fan service" from The Film Room?

[obarth]

If you ban "bad writing" then how would you describe Suicide Squad?

A victim of trying to copy Guardians of the Galaxy. The characters weren't organically introduced. We had no real connection to them. While the soundtrack in Guardians was literally a plot point, the music in Suicide Squad was extremely forced. Guardians also benefited from being part of an established movie universe which inherently made the viewer invested in the plot and villain whereas I can't remember the villain in SS except for The Joker(an already iconic character)

That took me 3 minutes to type, and "bad writing" wasn't used once, my dude

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

Quit crying about not liking other peoples' opinions.
If it means that much to you, do it yourself. Download a parental controls app and censor yourself from words you can't handle.

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

A victim of trying to copy Guardians of the Galaxy. The characters weren't organically introduced. We had no real connection to them. While the soundtrack in Guardians was literally a plot point, the music in Suicide Squad was extremely forced. Guardians also benefited from being part of an established movie universe which inherently made the viewer invested in the plot and villain whereas I can't remember the villain in SS except for The Joker(an already iconic character)

That took me 3 minutes to type, and "bad writing" wasn't used once, my dude

True but its issues are deeper than being a Guardian clone(even if thats what it is). The whole plot was bad writing. The film came across as a low-concept movie that was carried by the Squad due to how choppy the plot was. Bad writing is a cop out term, but I wouldnt fault someone for using it to describe the movie and KIM


Villain alone was and . Lile you said Guardians benefited from the MCU. What DC did was like trying to start out a spiderman franchise with a Sinister 6 movie. Build to that shyt, don't rush

 

[Mensch Fontana]

This thread is rushed, bad writting all over. Just a bunch of fan service imo

 

[obarth]

True but its issues are deeper than being a Guardian clone(even if thats what it is). The whole plot was bad writing. The film came across as a low-concept movie that was carried by the Squad due to how choppy the plot was. Bad writing is a cop out term, but I wouldnt fault someone for using it to describe the movie and KIM


Villain alone was and . Lile you said Guardians benefited from the MCU. What DC did was like trying to start out a spiderman franchise with a Sinister 6 movie. Build to that shyt, don't rush

nikkas got shyt to do, so I get just dropping a "bad writing" and getting about your day. But it really does get used a lot by people who have all the time in the world to say what they really mean but either don't feel like it or don't know any other way to say it. I do agree that DC should have just done solo movies first. I think that's what they're kind of doing now.

 

[Knowledge]

Plot armor is a legit thing though.....look at batman

 

[Ineedmoney504]

If someone wants to pull up on me for saying something has poor writing they can pull up.

Everything I've been saying about GOT for the past 3 seasons is the running hot take for every critic this season.

GoT is a poorly written show now.

Plot armour is nonsense. Plot armour is something people say when happenings in a story don't line up with their own personal logic, and people aren't really seeing if it lines up with the logic of the universe they're discussing.

Plot armor is when Jamie is posted on a wall with one arm(not swinging arm) fighting offs 1000 whites and survives

 

[FlyRy]

Nah, they're applicable for GoT discussions.

It is hilarious how there's "flavor of the month" terms when complaining about media, though.

I never heard the term "Mary Sue" until Captain Marvel was approaching. That shyt plagued discussions for MONTHS.

You mean Force Awakens

 

[AquaCityBoy]

You mean Force Awakens

And Star Trek Discovery

 

[Cadillac]

They're catch phrases for cats that want to hate on things but don't know how

Exacto

Especially shyt like "plot holes" and "plot armor"

 

[ahomeplateslugger]

never heard of the term plot armor before but bad writing and fan service is a real thing. as long as posters can back up their criticism with more than just "bad writing" or "fan service" than i don't see a problem with it. i have more of a problem with lazy posters just throwing a show or movie under the bus with very little context. they don't include examples, scenes or anything. just lazy criticism.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

They're being overused by all of these posters who apparently missed their callings to be Hollywood TV and Film writers

Just ignore their posts.

 

[Deltron]

Fan service really means nothing. All people are saying is i recognize that reference, therefore it's bad. As if that isn't the entire point of a shared continuity. If there was no Fan Service, it would be just a bunch of films with no relationship to each other which would be terrible.
Imagine if Star Wars or the MCU was done like Final Fantasy, with each film the series being it's own separate universe having no connection to each other. What would be the point?

People complained about the avengers not showing up in Iron Man 3 to help Tony Stark protect the president but then turned around shouted fan service when Falcon showed up in Antman.

eh, there's levels to it...can't go overboard with it...take the all the disney star wars flicks...they're basically pandering to old fans like me with the fan service when in many cases it isn't needed. They had a fan service moment in Solo that really had no bearing to the plot and will most likely amount to nothing for the franchise, other than an oh cool look moment. We'll see how Rise does, with Lando and (supposedly) Palpatine.

Or the Fantastic Beasts flicks throwing all the references in for no real reason. They had a flashback showing a Professor, for all intents and purposes shouldn't have been a professor at the time...they threw that shyt in there so people who read the books will be like oh shyt...so yeah, really depends on execution.

 

[O.Red]

Nah, they're applicable for GoT discussions.

It is hilarious how there's "flavor of the month" terms when complaining about media, though.

I never heard the term "Mary Sue" until Captain Marvel was approaching. That shyt plagued discussions for MONTHS.

The term Mary Sue started blowing up big because of Rey in Force Awakens

That character made a mess that is still ruining female characters 4 yrs later

 

[O.Red]

Fan service really means nothing. All people are saying is i recognize that reference, therefore it's bad. As if that isn't the entire point of a shared continuity. If there was no Fan Service, it would be just a bunch of films with no relationship to each other which would be terrible.
Imagine if Star Wars or the MCU was done like Final Fantasy, with each film the series being it's own separate universe having no connection to each other. What would be the point?

People complained about the avengers not showing up in Iron Man 3 to help Tony Stark protect the president but then turned around shouted fan service when Falcon showed up in Antman.

I don't think fan service is inherently bad, but there are good ways and bad ways to do it like anything else

Star Wars has a lot of really bad fan service that they try to shoe horn into the narrative and they've abused it to the point where people don't even care anymore.

The reaction to Darth Maul in Solo for a lot of people was "What?" and not like the studio was likely expecting

And DAMN we don't need to see C3po and R2 in shyt else

Endgame on the other hand was packed with fan service and it was mostly fine. Even the really silly fan service didn't ruin the movie.