I agree, I mean Reasonable Doubt is my favorite hip-hop album. But even that’s become a footnote in Jay’s legacy. I’m not sure what it is about Jay or his music that has his career being washed away over time. Maybe it’s how much he emphasizes his business moves that makes that side of his career more prominent than his music. Whereas someone like Nas, who keeps music as the core of his brand, still has Illmatic mentioned as the holy grail 30 years later
Can we all admit that Kanye West will leave a bigger trace in music history than Jay-Z?
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"Woopdity scoop scoopdity woop woopdity poop" - Ye
Vs
"Shout out to old Jews and old rules
New blacks with new stacks" - Jay
We already know who is the better lyricist out of the two let alone leaving a bigger trace.
Vs
"Shout out to old Jews and old rules
New blacks with new stacks" - Jay
We already know who is the better lyricist out of the two let alone leaving a bigger trace.
BmoreGorilla
Veteran
I disagree just for the simple fact you could say that about every rapper from Jays era
BmoreGorilla
Veteran
Kanye’s catalog ain’t nowhere near as good as Jays tbh. Kanye is one of the most overrated artists of all time
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I like quite a bit of Jay's music he's dropped over the years, but IMO the uncomfortable truth is Reasonable Doubt was his apex in regards to quality from head to toe.
The best song he ever did was after that. The Ha remix with juvenile
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if you a suburban raising breh yeah, sure
frankly, he only has to listenable albums to me
always thought breh was a dweeb before he dropped Graduation
his catalog is nowhere near Jay when it comes to hip hop fans
frankly, he only has to listenable albums to me
always thought breh was a dweeb before he dropped Graduation
his catalog is nowhere near Jay when it comes to hip hop fans
RhodyRum
Mark Gassed-A-Heaux
Who Not How
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Jay fake retiring in 2003 is a big reason folks forget his catalog imo. Show Me What You Got was the beginning of a new era of Jay-Z. The youth weren't checking for mature rappers, he was already considered old by the mid 2000s.Kanye’s catalog ain’t nowhere near as good as Jays tbh. Kanye is one of the most overrated artists of all time
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Kanye is more recent and was still in his prime going into the 2010s so his catalog is seen more modern imo.
LolKanye stans
skokiaan
African original
They both would do anything for money and relevance
@Kenny West You good fam? You angry dapping everyone.
RhodyRum
Mark Gassed-A-Heaux
A lot of it is marketing and lazy narratives too. One artist's gritty, raw, and unpolished debut being repeatedly hailed as an all time classic is another artist's "While it was good, the best was yet to come."
Granted it's all totally subjective and comes down to personal tastes, but it shows how easily a statement can be picked up and preserved by the masses if the "voices with a platform and some degree of credibility" repeat that statement over and over.
As far as pure music goes, I believe in 20 years, Kanye’s music will be looked at as more impactful.
It’s like pure artistry vs talent and longevity.
Ye has changed the scope of music, fashion, influence and culture like no other artist before and maybe after him.
Pure rapping, he isn’t top anything, but his overall impact he’s #1.
JayZ 20 years from now I think is just looked at as the goat (or a goat) and revered. Like every too artist today talks about meeting J or speaking with J as some type of honor, but they are so young you know they don’t listen to JayZ music or really know or care about his catalog per se…it’s like he’s transcended music and stamped himself as the ultimate “career” you strive for, and ppl think about that first over the music.
I think it’s similar(ish) to a Lebron and JayZ. The name Jordan has been invoked every day since Jordan retired in 2002 (20 years) in every part of the world by every citizen regardless of age, and a lot of the time it’s not about basketball lol - it’s about shoes and goat debates - he’s transcended the sport almost (JayZ)
Lebron other hand has the most skill set we may have ever seen, so much so that he hasn’t won as much as others but he’s the one in the goat convo, but it’s because of his overall skill set per se, if that makes sense…
But still most people (gap is closer now) still see Jordan as the goat…
It’s like pure artistry vs talent and longevity.
Ye has changed the scope of music, fashion, influence and culture like no other artist before and maybe after him.
Pure rapping, he isn’t top anything, but his overall impact he’s #1.
JayZ 20 years from now I think is just looked at as the goat (or a goat) and revered. Like every too artist today talks about meeting J or speaking with J as some type of honor, but they are so young you know they don’t listen to JayZ music or really know or care about his catalog per se…it’s like he’s transcended music and stamped himself as the ultimate “career” you strive for, and ppl think about that first over the music.
I think it’s similar(ish) to a Lebron and JayZ. The name Jordan has been invoked every day since Jordan retired in 2002 (20 years) in every part of the world by every citizen regardless of age, and a lot of the time it’s not about basketball lol - it’s about shoes and goat debates - he’s transcended the sport almost (JayZ)
Lebron other hand has the most skill set we may have ever seen, so much so that he hasn’t won as much as others but he’s the one in the goat convo, but it’s because of his overall skill set per se, if that makes sense…
But still most people (gap is closer now) still see Jordan as the goat…
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Superstar
Don't think it's that controversial of an opinion. Whatever you think of him as a person, the core of his body of work is undeniable. Jay did this to himself "I'm not a businessman, I'm a business, man"that constant self branding of being a hustler first has been a blessing and curse for his legacy.
Yeah based off of controversy