Can someone be GAY and still be a CHRISTIAN?

[Deafheaven]

It makes perfect sense.

Do you truly believe a racist homicidal maniac who murdered millions of humans in the most inhumane ways just because of thier race would suddenly wake up one day and confess that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior and start to live the by the text of the Hebrew Bible?

In theory, if that happened, then yes, God will forgive him, because He isn’t bound by our human standards or modern definitions of words.

But, we will receive the consequences of our actions, that is promises, and if you drink, drug yourself with drugs or wealth, murder millions of people and commit to a life of living under the demonic influence, your brain patterns and logic (even on a scientific level) are destroyed and (by YOUR own choice) freaked your whole entire being and mental state to a point to where a decision like that is almost a zero percent chance of being made.

If you even asked anyone for help they would try to kill you, and every human you surrounded yourself around would have no knowledge of how to safe your soul by your own doing of dictatorship.

And even if you stopped completely and decided to change, that would mean you would immediately end what you are doing, turn all your war criminal friends and family members in, and submit yourself for punishment knowing you will be tortured and murdered in the most painful and inhumane way.

Just like you did for others.

So as you’re being tortured if you still found a way to submit yourself to this Jewish Hebrew Jesus you JUST learned about but don’t know nothing about then…

Yall give these scenarios to be funny or throw concepts away but your scenario makes less sense then my beliefs

bolded is all you had to say breh all that other stuff you talking is just window dressing, you proving me right


maniacal genocidal racist murder of millions accepting god into their heart and meaning it>>>>>Some gay dude being perpetually gay



And people really believe this stuff Thats why I just say i'm spiritual/agnostic. I'm not nearly as arrogant as the religious to come up with all these mind bending stipulations on who and who is not truly a follower. I can simply read the texts as they are and not have to pretzel myself into them making sense or being allegorical when something is too preposterous to follow in 2025.

 

[Deafheaven]

You can’t give me any evidence breh. The audacity of you religious nut jobs wanting to lord over us with your ancient morality but can’t even be honest with yourself that you believe in absolute bullshyt with no evidence. There’s more proof of Santa Claus than your Zionist God being real

They don't even really believe the bible if we being real cuz if they did it wouldn't be very difficult to choose not sinning over theoretically burning forever

oh oh oh I repent. what the if the rapture happens in the middle of your heathen ass being mid guts just such an unserious sect of people.

 

[Hov]

I mean if your basis of belief is God loves everyone regardless if your gay or straight then I guess you could make a claim. However there are verses that are vehemently against it. That's not to say God doesn't help or guide gay people. If we were all born sinners and God still chose to guide the sinners towards him even though he knows they will continue to sin, why shouldn't he guide the effeminate who believe they are born in sin (gay) but continue to follow his teachings. As far as gay people actually pronouncing themselves as Christians despite knowingly (or unknowingly) sinning, I guess it's the similar to the Christians that go to the club on Saturday but go to church on Sunday then cussing out their coworkers on Monday but in Bible Study and Prayer meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday. Not saying what they proclaiming is right but you examine the whole concept of big sin and small sin, there is some form of hypocrisy in there.

The idea of “big sin” and “small sin” doesn’t exist in doctrine. Sin is sin.

But there’s a difference between sinning and living in a lifestyle of sin.

Like, someone stealing a candy bar once isn’t the same as someone who’s running a whole car theft ring. Even if the ring leader isn’t actively stealing cars that day, they’re still living in and leading a lifestyle of sin. It’s not about perfection, it’s about whether you’re continuously choosing a path that goes against what God teaches.

Now, on the topic of belonging, nowhere does the Bible say someone doesn’t belong. That’s not how it works.

God’s love, guidance, and grace are open to anyone who seeks Him. The whole point of the gospel is redemption, not exclusion. But here’s the thing - while God loves and welcomes everyone, He also calls us to transformation.

That doesn’t mean you have to be perfect to come to Him, but it does mean that as you grow in faith, you’re called to leave behind the things that separate you from Him

And about “come as you are” that eveyone likes to say is NOT in the Bible.

In Matthew 11:28 Jesus says, “Come to me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.”

Also

Isaiah 1:18 God invites people to come to him, even though their sins are like scarlet, and he will make them white as snow.

That about bringing your struggles and burdens to Him, not staying exactly as you are forever.

The Bible doesn’t promote staying in sin; it’s about letting God work in you to change your heart and your life.

So you’re seeking God, you belong.

But there’s also an expectation of growth and striving to live according to His Word.

So come as you are but don’t leave as you are.

 

[Hov]

bolded is all you had to say breh all that other stuff you talking is just window dressing, you proving me right


maniacal genocidal racist murder of millions accepting god into their heart and meaning it>>>>>Some gay dude being perpetually gay



And people really believe this stuff Thats why I just say i'm spiritual/agnostic. I'm not nearly as arrogant as the religious to come up with all these mind bending stipulations on who and who is not truly a follower. I can simply read the texts as they are and not have to pretzel myself into them making sense or being allegorical when something is too preposterous to follow in 2025.

I don’t understand where you got lost at.

In the real world we all live in, a man or woman who repents for their sin is forgiven. And when you repent from that sin you ask God to remove it from your life.

A person struggling with homosexuality is their own vice. But by praying and submitting constantly as we are ALL told to do is like going to AA if your vice is alcoholism.

You’re doing the work. But that doesn’t mean you will never ever drink again ever. But when you do, you will feel convicted and get back on the plan, and some days months and years will be harder than others, but you don’t take joy and comfort in sin.

So a gay man isn’t a sinner simply because he’s attracted to a man. Theres acts of repentance and God knowing your heart of really what you are trying to do.

Your homicidal maniac isn’t going to be 20 years a maniac and then suddenly live a life or repetance lol but anything can happen. Not for me to live in scenarios but life

 

[Outlaw]

There’s evidence of numerous Biblical figures existing, even Jesus. Verified by atheist and agnostic scientists. For many many many years.

Do yall do the minimal level of research before you commit to a conclusion?

Which biblical figures? Is there any evidence of Noah? Adam & Eve? Jonah? Daniel? Moses?

 

[Hov]

Which biblical figures? Is there any evidence of Noah? Adam & Eve? Jonah? Daniel? Moses?

Just to note it’s too much for me to pull at type out so I’m just going to paste from GPT. & also remember that many figures in the Bible were not famous and heralded people, so their whereabouts after their stories are obvisouly unknown. These are are days or months of someone’s entire life.

Also Bible comes from Biblica. The Bible simple means Books.

The Bible is not a story, it’s a library. It’s a collection or anthology of passages and stories from around the world that document Jesus time on this Earth from eye witness accounts, people who traveled with him or got miracles from him etc. The Old Testament is the Torah. The New Testament are the stories. They were written in different countries languages etc but all contained the same historical facts names etc which is one of those things that is unexplainable (like the pyramids in Egypt) since no one had Google or internet or planes or knew 10 languages or could live hundreds of years to keep the lie going etc. Dang modern Billy Carson can’t do it now, and these were written 20 centuries ago lol

Honestly im one of those logic first type of people so my fixation recently has been in the study of this and the stuff I’m finding (really I should say learning) I believe even if I was an atheist non-believer and just doing this for research is freaking fascinating. I can barely type the stuff I’ve learned just over the past 2 weeks…

Anyway:

Jesus – Found referenced in writings by Roman historians such as Tacitus (Annals, c. 116 CE) and Jewish historians like Flavius Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, c. 93 CE), verified by over 100 scholars as consistent with early Christian accounts of his life and crucifixion under Pontius Pilate.

King David – Found in the Tel Dan Stele (9th century BCE), discovered in 1993 and verified by over 100 archaeologists as a reference to the “House of David,” a direct ancestor of Christ according to biblical genealogy.

King Solomon – Found referenced in ancient texts and regional inscriptions, such as Egyptian and Mesopotamian records (10th century BCE), verified by historians as a key figure in biblical history and part of Christ’s lineage.

Herod the Great – Found in writings by Flavius Josephus (1st century CE), verified by over 100 historians through archaeological evidence of his building projects, including the Second Temple in Jerusalem, and his role in the story of Christ’s birth.

Pontius Pilate – Found in the Pilate Stone inscription, discovered in 1961 in Caesarea and verified by multiple historians as evidence of his governance in Judea and involvement in Christ’s trial and crucifixion.

There’s a lot more but they are kings etc I didn’t believe you would care about them

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Christians can be any damn thing. All they gotta do is believe in a Jesus. Thats why it's so many of them cuz they are lawless

 

[Outlaw]

Just to note it’s too much for me to pull at type out so I’m just going to paste from GPT. & also remember that many figures in the Bible were not famous and heralded people, so their whereabouts after their stories are obvisouly unknown. These are are days or months of someone’s entire life.

Also Bible comes from Biblica. The Bible simple means Books.

The Bible is not a story, it’s a library. It’s a collection or anthology of passages and stories from around the world that document Jesus time on this Earth from eye witness accounts, people who traveled with him or got miracles from him etc. The Old Testament is the Torah. The New Testament are the stories. They were written in different countries languages etc but all contained the same historical facts names etc which is one of those things that is unexplainable (like the pyramids in Egypt) since no one had Google or internet or planes or knew 10 languages or could live hundreds of years to keep the lie going etc. Dang modern Billy Carson can’t do it now, and these were written 20 centuries ago lol

Honestly im one of those logic first type of people so my fixation recently has been in the study of this and the stuff I’m finding (really I should say learning) I believe even if I was an atheist non-believer and just doing this for research is freaking fascinating. I can barely type the stuff I’ve learned just over the past 2 weeks…

Anyway:

Jesus – Found referenced in writings by Roman historians such as Tacitus (Annals, c. 116 CE) and Jewish historians like Flavius Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, c. 93 CE), verified by over 100 scholars as consistent with early Christian accounts of his life and crucifixion under Pontius Pilate.

King David – Found in the Tel Dan Stele (9th century BCE), discovered in 1993 and verified by over 100 archaeologists as a reference to the “House of David,” a direct ancestor of Christ according to biblical genealogy.

King Solomon – Found referenced in ancient texts and regional inscriptions, such as Egyptian and Mesopotamian records (10th century BCE), verified by historians as a key figure in biblical history and part of Christ’s lineage.

Herod the Great – Found in writings by Flavius Josephus (1st century CE), verified by over 100 historians through archaeological evidence of his building projects, including the Second Temple in Jerusalem, and his role in the story of Christ’s birth.

Pontius Pilate – Found in the Pilate Stone inscription, discovered in 1961 in Caesarea and verified by multiple historians as evidence of his governance in Judea and involvement in Christ’s trial and crucifixion.

There’s a lot more but they are kings etc I didn’t believe you would care about them

None of that proves the biblical God exists. It would be like saying Thor exists because he’s involved in comics that reference historical figures or places. You believe in ancient myths

 

[Hov]

None of that proves the biblical God exists. It would be like saying Thor exists because he’s involved in comics that reference historical figures or places. You believe in ancient myths

He didn’t ask me that. He asked me about the various people mentioned throughout the Bible that have documented proof of existence

Honestly my G, you’re escalating this past the point of trying to understand (does not mean agree) or even listen.

It’s like you’re angry. I’m not angry at you. I’m not dismissing you or anything. Why are you so mad? Honestly - you can even DM me not being funny

 

[Crude]

I’m not going to pretend to understand the homosexual lifestyle, but to answer the question, yes.

God views sin as sin and he’s looking at those same people that practice pre-martial sex, adultery, lust, and all other forms of sexual abomination the same according to my understanding of what’s in the Bible.

Folks be promiscuous and doing everything under the sun, but being gay is where they draw the line.

Hate to break it to you, but sin doesn’t work like that.

 

[Hov]

I’m not going to pretend to understand the homosexual lifestyle, but to answer the question, yes.

God views sin as sin and he’s looking at those same people that practice pre-martial sex, adultery, lust, and all other forms of sexual abomination the same according to my understanding of what’s in the Bible.

Folks be promiscuous and doing everything under the sun, but being gay is where they draw the line.

Hate to break it to you, but sin doesn’t work like that.

Not making it about you but need to just state this exactly, because this seems parroted a lot:

Where did I or anyone in this thread say that “being gay is where we draw the line”???

Breh, it may have been typed 20x over 6 different posters in this thread that “God sees all sins the same.”

No one over 14 years old that ever has opened there Bible and not been led by some cult leader or social media believes that homosexuality is cursed and other sins are cool.

Why do yall keep repeating the same thing? Are you posting and not reading response?

 

[Crude]

Not making it about you but need to just state this exactly, because this seems parroted a lot:

Where did I or anyone in this thread say that “being gay is where we draw the line”???

Breh, it may have been typed 20x over 6 different posters in this thread that “God sees all sins the same.”

No one over 14 years old that ever has opened there Bible and not been led by some cult leader or social media believes that homosexuality is cursed and other sins are cool.

Why do yall keep repeating the same thing? Are you posting and not reading response?

Other sin isn’t frowned upon by the general masses unless it’s murder, hurting kids, or rape.

Great men are praised for being womanizers.

Ain’t nobody being praised for being gay. That lifestyle just got acceptable as it is now in the last 20 years because the 70s, 80s, 90s, and even early 2000s was a much different era than today.

Even though those little gay choir directors and ministers of music have been a thing since forever especially in Black churches.

Everybody (me included) had that little gay family member that always brought their “friend” around during the holidays and family reunion, but that stuff was spoken about in whispers and that lifestyle was more guarded, closeted, and underground.

Some man smashing a bunch of women has never been underground or frowned upon outside of circles of uber religious people.

 

[Big Boda]

ABSOLUTELY NOT
anyone saying you can is just proudly hell bound and could care less about what the bible says.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11​

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

for those saying its impossible to avoid sin

1 Corinthians 10:12-14​

12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. 13 No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Philippians 4:13​

13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

James 4:7-9​

7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.

1 John 1:8-10​

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Matthew 5:47-48​

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47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the [b]tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.


why does that scripture above even matter? because the creator that made sure our hearts are beating and our eyes are working to read it loves us and wants us to believe it and obey it. however he absolutely will not force us to and will allow us to follow our own ways and lusts until we die. if we Do die in sin having rejected a relationship with Jesus Christ we will be in outer darkness eternally seperated from him. first in the prison called hades/hell then we face judgment for our lives and go from judgment to the lake of fire that is kindled by the wrath of God.

 

[Hov]

Other sin isn’t frowned upon by the general masses unless it’s murder, hurting kids, or rape.

Great men are praised for being womanizers.

Ain’t nobody being praised for being gay. That lifestyle just got acceptable as it is now in the last 20 years because the 70s, 80s, 90s, and even early 2000s was a much different era than today.

Even though those little gay choir directors and ministers of music have been a thing since forever especially in Black churches.

Everybody (me included) had that little gay family member that always brought their friend around during the holidays and family reunion, but that stuff was spoken about in whispers and that lifestyle was more guarded, closeted, and underground.

Some man smashing a bunch of women has never been underground or frowned upon outside of circles of uber religious people.

Yo

Are we talking about repentant Christian’s who are studying Gods Word (and not charismatic preachers, social media, their own doctrine etc)

Or

“The general masses”?

Why would you judge a Muslim by what a secular white racist in Texas is doing?

Those are two separate waves of reality. So of course it’s hypocritical and false and makes no sense.

That’s not who we are striving to be like or act like.

Homosexuality has always been looked down about in most societies, while womanizing is not.

Let’s also not pretend men being feminate and also sleeping with other men make a lot of people, especially pre-2000 or so, uncomfortable in many ways. So yes, the Black community has issues but also people would rather “pretend we don’t see what we see” than talk about little Jimmy who “talks like a girl”.

But to mature and grow is to not judge or have any less love of that person, he is Gods child just the same as me.

I love my brother but if he’s doing 70 in a 40, it’s not wrong or hate for me to say he’s going to get pulled over, because that’s not the speed limit. That’s because I love him. But I’m not going to love him less. Actually we are taught to love more. And that’s love as well - not just pretend in that everything is ok to the detriment of the person (even outside of Christianity) because you don’t like uncomfortable convos

Humans are flawed and what we do when we live in flaw makes no sense. Esp without guidance

We pass diseases along, create broken homes, murder and kill, steal, lie, grape, gamble our accounts away, fight over things that don’t matter, hate people because of their skin etc. None of this makes sense

But none of that is the guidance of the Bible. None of it. So why judge the Bible by what man does? The Bible praises NO MAN for being a womanizer

David who slayed Goliath grew up became famous and rich and became a womanizer and lost eveything, created turmoil in his family and got revolted against.

People like to listen to half the story (Christians included) that’s why reading for self is a command

 

[DoubleClutch]

None of that proves the biblical God exists. It would be like saying Thor exists because he’s involved in comics that reference historical figures or places. You believe in ancient myths

Yea breh but we have the historical writings of their beliefs and their history

They were REAL people otherwise who wrote the scriptures?

It’s like this….. at some point you gotta agree the Bible stories meet actual history. A history not too far removed from the time we live in today

Then you gotta take into account what they were saying and why and WHO OR WHAT they worshiped as God

And is that GOD the same today for us.

Then ask yourself how this GOD and his people (the writers of the scriptures) have influenced the world more than any other people/cultures claimed “God” in history.

I mean the proof is the fact that you are in this thread preoccupied with a religious debate about 2000+ year old religion based on a Jewish Man and his followers

And even ONE of his followers Paul was so influential that 2000 years later he still lives rent free in the heads of people like

@2 Up 2 Down

Why?

And he was just some random Jewish Guy who had a vision of another Jewish guy (Jesus) who allegedly came back to life.

But Somehow this chain of events ended up sparking the creation of the greatest religion on earth: (Christianity)

And a reaction to this (Muhammad) 600 years later helped to created the 2nd biggest religion on earth which is basically a bootleg Christianity spin off (Islam)

And both of their followers claim to believe in the GOD of Israel….. an ancient tribe of people who’s modern day members basically run the world

And now in 2025 the biggest story on earth is a 100+ year old beef between the Muslim (Palestinians) and Jewish (Israelis) who live in the “Holy Land” from which Jesus was born.

At some point you gotta think….. isn’t that strange and maybe NOT a coincidence



I’m not saying you’re WRONG. But can you give me another logical opinion of a DIFFERENT GOD to believe in.


All you’re telling me is why you don’t believe what I and BILLIONS of other people do and your only reason is is because you want 100% proof.

What makes you so special?

Simply put, you lack even the smallest capacity for faith