Can pedophiles use the "born this way" argument?

[Dooby]

So what? Blowjobs don't produce children either. Homosexuality doesn't harm anything or anyone. Relationships between two consenting gay adults are irrelevant. People will have children regardless.

Do you even know how to form a proper argument

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Extra toes persist just as much as homosexuality does.

having an extra toe doesn't stop you from reproducing.. clearly this conversation is going over your head.. you need to go to harvard or something b.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

having an extra toe doesn't stop you from reproducing.. clearly this conversation is going over your head.. you need to go to harvard or something b.

No, your engaging in rampant speculation to defend homosexuality. There is no need to try to make homosexuality somehow biologically beneficial in order to be supportive of gay people.

 

[Type Username Here]

No, your engaging in rampant speculation to defend homosexuality. There is no need to try to make homosexuality somehow biologically beneficial in order to be supportive of gay people.

Agreed.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

No, your engaging in rampant speculation to defend homosexuality. There is no need to try to make homosexuality somehow biologically beneficial in order to be supportive of gay people.

I'm trying to steer you all towards possible scientific causes of a trait that shouldn't logically persist in humans due to the fact that it defacto stops reproduction, my bad for trying to have a logical science based discussion instead of just "THEY'RE ABNORMAL QUEERS!!!!!" talk.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

And yes, I am speculating, I'm not saying its actually beneficial. I'm throwing out theories to maybe give you all things to think about.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I'm trying to steer you all towards possible scientific causes of a trait that shouldn't logically persist in humans due to the fact that it defacto stops reproduction, my bad for trying to have a logical science based discussion instead of just "THEY'RE ABNORMAL QUEERS!!!!!" talk.

I never said anyone was an abnormal queer. And you have not opened my eyes to anything scientific.

Nothing you've said really makes sense scientifically. It's just a bunch of stuff you read on the Internet from people defending homosexuality.

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

I never said anyone was an abnormal queer. And you have not opened my eyes to anything scientific.

Nothing you've said really makes sense scientifically. It's just a bunch if stuff you read on the Internet from people defending homosexuality.

those quotes were from scientific studies, but they're still not proven. It's a lot of speculation because of the subject matter. I don't think it's possible to open anyones eyes on this forum. An evolutionary explanation was just something that intrigued me, we are here to share ideas afterall.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

those quotes were from scientific studies, but they're still not proven. It's a lot of speculation because of the subject matter. I don't think it's possible to open anyones eyes on this forum. An evolutionary explanation was just something that intrigued me, we are here to share ideas afterall.

The "evolutionary explanation" you posted could be applied to a multitude of different human traits that wouldn't be considered "beneficial". Rampant speculation gets us nowhere closer to "higher learning" than the hateful shyt people spew about gay people.

 

[Brown_Pride]

does it matter even if your vitriol was true?

Are we really going to sit here and act like a trait that has persisted for eons (homosexuality) in our species couldn't possibly have an evolutionary purpose? Since homosexual males are much less likely to reproduce, why would a trait that does appear to have some genetic inheritability continue to come up in our species without reproduction by the homosexuals who possess the "gene"?

historically they do "mate". Liking another man hasn't always meant that you didn't have kids. How many guys now that are gay still have wives and kids and such.

Also, consider how long "mutations" and variances take to hold in a genetic manner, my guess is we wont fully see the genetical effect (if any) of homosexuality in man. Personally i think humans are pre-wired certain ways, some come out with a penchant for similar sex mates, others do not. I wonder, has anyone found a "gay gene" or something similar to that?

 

[TLOL is back]

One involves rape, the other does not.

But in terms of being abnormal, pedophilia and homosexuality are the same.

 

[The Real]

And that's consider a disorder....checkmate

No, it's not considered a disorder. A disorder harms someone's life in any situation. If you don't want kids or don't care about having them, infertility isn't a disease. In fact, many people go get vasectomies or get their tubes tied specifically so they won't have kids anymore and can have sex w/o protection. Would you say they are giving themselves a disorder? Do all the African and Pacific tribes in which ALL men have to get penile subincisions that prevent them from conceiving until they reach a certain age and sew it back up suffer from disorders?

Similarly, if you don't care about having kids, homosexuality does not harm you. A disorder by definition hurts either the person or other people. This is the same reason transgenderism isn't a disorder. If it only sometimes causes problems for people based on other desires or wishes, it's not a disorder.

 

[KyokushinKarateMan]

At first i was like this makes so much sense. fukking fagsss

but now that i meditate on this. this isn't a valid argument.

what makes pedophilia, rape, animal beastality and other such acts fundamentally wrong is that they involve an abuse of power. They take advantage of a child who is defenseless, a person who has not consented, or a beast that cannot deal with human weapons. However, igay people -- while perhaps nasty -- do not engage in a fundamentally immoral act, presuming they have the consent of the other party or parties involved.

Most who read it understood that I encompassed all with which you've stated(the obvious) when I wrote, "obviously, some deserve to be illegal and should be dealt with under the harshest of judicial procedures."..and when I stated, "Each act differs in victimization/consequence, yes.."...I even went on further to explain that one most not stop there, but use a much broader perspective in deciding that they will pick and choose which one of these acts people can be allowed to say they are born with.

But that does not nullify your point, you are right in that there is an abuse of power in the other sexual deviancies listed. It is thanks to that very understanding/differentiating that has propelled world societies as a whole to outlaw those acts.

However.. this ish right here, "However, igay people -- while perhaps nasty -- do not engage in a fundamentally immoral act.." ...I'm not sure if you are referring to the two-legged human being that comes in two sexes located on planet earth known as, us, but, engaging in sexual acts with a member of your own sex is an extreme epitomization of an act/human behavior that could be deemed "fundamentally immoral".

 

[Chris.B]

Yes they can..

Pedophilia and homosexuality are both sick and perverted behaviors

 

[Dooby]

No, it's not considered a disorder. A disorder harms someone's life in any situation. If you don't want kids or don't care about having them, infertility isn't a disease. In fact, many people go get vasectomies or get their tubes tied specifically so they won't have kids anymore and can have sex w/o protection. Would you say they are giving themselves a disorder? Do all the African and Pacific tribes in which ALL men have to get penile subincisions that prevent them from conceiving until they reach a certain age and sew it back up suffer from disorders?

Similarly, if you don't care about having kids, homosexuality does not harm you. A disorder by definition hurts either the person or other people. This is the same reason transgenderism isn't a disorder. If it only sometimes causes problems for people based on other desires or wishes, it's not a disorder.

Semantics. You're wrong but I just don't possess the desire to tell you why. So, good day. Until next time.