Can Islam Solve All of Africas Issues?

[Fervid]

@Napoleon you're being trolled. This guy doesn't feel that way.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

People being killed


God helped the people of Europe prevail

What does "god" have to do with a temperate climate and fertile soil?

 

[tmonster]

@Napoleon you're being trolled. This guy doesn't feel that way.

party pooper

@Napoleon and others
the thread was so ridiculous I could not help it, sorry

 

[tmonster]

What does "god" have to do with a temperate climate and fertile soil?

God made everything, don't you know anything?



ahhhhhh
I can't help it

 

[tstone]

I agree with the fact that you are dispelling some of the myths there are about Islam, which there are plenty. Thanks in large part to how many examples there are of Muslim abusing the context of certain scriptures for their own use. Before you respond, I acknowledge that every religion has examples of people like this.

But the only example of Islam being harmful in Africa is Boko Haram? Are you being serious or being facetious for the sake of satire? Since you seem to be versed in Islam and maybe some of its history, then I am sure you know of the years and years of slavery that was imposed on Africans by foreigners(people called Arabs) who used Islam as a political tool to justify their prejudice against "kafirs." And its so funny how these "kafirs" always seemed to be black with wooly hair. That must've been coincidence, right?

I have no problem with Islam as a religion, however, Islam was not simply a religion in Africa. It was, like Christianity, a political tool used by foreigners as a means to an end. That end being control and domination of African peoples in order to gain access to land and resources that they did not have in their native land. Or did not have in nearly as large a supply.

Peace

You cannot compare the European slave trade with the Arab slave trade, they are like apple and oranges and equating them is completely false. Let's look at the legacy what they left behind, where are the ghettos, mental institutions and prisons with black men, the Arab slave trade left behind? Where are the economic power house companies that benefited from American slavery like J.P. Morgan, Aetna, Bank of America, New York Life, and Wells Fargo that the Arab trade left behind. Let me break down the below two things to you.
The Quran views on slavery
The Quran views on slavery, is that slaves are prisoners of war, what was similarly practiced throughout Africa. Every society has a group of people that are imprisoned by the other. Just like people imprisoned in the united states on bull shyt charges and the war on drugs. Throughout societies, when a city was captured, the captured people can be massacred. But the quran put restrictions on the treatment of these people. The quran said to feed the slaves the same food and clothe them with the same clothes as the master. And who ever kills a slave, should be killed. The quran also says that it is best to free the slave and find a way or time period to emancipate them. There is no where in the quran that says slaves are a specific race and they were not looked down upon as sub-human. Slaves in the Arab world were government officials and had high positions in society. This is completely different from the aristocrated American south and slaves eating pig intestines and guts.
Arabs treatment African slaves
Arab have been enslaving different groups of people throughout history, including other Arabs. Islam does not consider arabs the chosen people, they have faults like other people. At the beginning of the arab/muslim empire. The majority of slaves were arabs and white Europeans. They were enslaving greeks and whites from the balkan. The arab african slave trade did not really boom until the 19th century. Arabs slave traders did not use islam or imposed islam on the African people, to do this will go against there interest, since islam looks at enslavement as short term and the many restrictions on slavery. So these were not devout muslims or practicing muslims at all. African enslavement by Arabic was not this big economic power house, like in the western world that was part of there economy like a means to production, most of the slaves were women sent to be domestic house workers or placed in the haraam, just like european women slaves. To this day there is a large amount of African women DNA in Arabic people, look it up. The Arabs never used the resources in the African land or setup arab colonies in Africa.

I am not saying that Africans were never enslaved by arabs, but to compare it to the institutionalized and sub-human condition being treated like cattle that happened in the western world is completely false. The first converts to islam in Africa were African kings, who built great cities, mosques and libraries, and traded gold and ivory with the Arab world for centuries. So the notion that the guns followed the missionaries is completely false.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

@Napoleon you're being trolled. This guy doesn't feel that way.

This dude @Napoleon gets too wound up over this shyt. I think this is what happens when you listen to too much Drake . My guy needs a couple weeks vacation, some mai tais, a massage, a few bong rips, and some peace of mind

 

[tmonster]

This dude @Napoleon gets too wound up over this shyt. I think this is what happens when you listen to too much Drake . My guy needs a couple weeks vacation, some mai tais, a massage, a few bong rips, and some peace of mind

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

It's true, Drake got young nikkaz pickin up pistols over p*ssy so its no tellin what kinda small shyt can piss em off.

 

[88m3]

You know I'm right.

 

[mcdivit85]

You cannot compare the European slave trade with the Arab slave trade, they are like apple and oranges and equating them is completely false. Let's look at the legacy what they left behind, where are the ghettos, mental institutions and prisons with black men, the Arab slave trade left behind? Where are the economic power house companies that benefited from American slavery like J.P. Morgan, Aetna, Bank of America, New York Life, and Wells Fargo that the Arab trade left behind. Let me break down the below two things to you.
The Quran views on slavery
The Quran views on slavery, is that slaves are prisoners of war, what was similarly practiced throughout Africa. Every society has a group of people that are imprisoned by the other. Just like people imprisoned in the united states on bull shyt charges and the war on drugs. Throughout societies, when a city was captured, the captured people can be massacred. But the quran put restrictions on the treatment of these people. The quran said to feed the slaves the same food and clothe them with the same clothes as the master. And who ever kills a slave, should be killed. The quran also says that it is best to free the slave and find a way or time period to emancipate them. There is no where in the quran that says slaves are a specific race and they were not looked down upon as sub-human. Slaves in the Arab world were government officials and had high positions in society. This is completely different from the aristocrated American south and slaves eating pig intestines and guts.
Arabs treatment African slaves
Arab have been enslaving different groups of people throughout history, including other Arabs. Islam does not consider arabs the chosen people, they have faults like other people. At the beginning of the arab/muslim empire. The majority of slaves were arabs and white Europeans. They were enslaving greeks and whites from the balkan. The arab african slave trade did not really boom until the 19th century. Arabs slave traders did not use islam or imposed islam on the African people, to do this will go against there interest, since islam looks at enslavement as short term and the many restrictions on slavery. So these were not devout muslims or practicing muslims at all. African enslavement by Arabic was not this big economic power house, like in the western world that was part of there economy like a means to production, most of the slaves were women sent to be domestic house workers or placed in the haraam, just like european women slaves. To this day there is a large amount of African women DNA in Arabic people, look it up. The Arabs never used the resources in the African land or setup arab colonies in Africa.

I am not saying that Africans were never enslaved by arabs, but to compare it to the institutionalized and sub-human condition being treated like cattle that happened in the western world is completely false. The first converts to islam in Africa were African kings, who built great cities, mosques and libraries, and traded gold and ivory with the Arab world for centuries. So the notion that the guns followed the missionaries is completely false.

Good information, which is not new to me. I never made a stated that Arab slavery was the same system as European slavery. I stated that both people, Arabs and Europeans, used their respective religions as a means to an end. A way to justify their ideas on the treatment of Africans while at different points in history.

Also, what the Quran states does not take away from what its followers do/did. The Quran and the Bible do not promote the bad treatment of slaves, however both Muslims and Christians used their religion as a means to hold slaves and treat said slaves as less than equal in terms of humanity. That is my point. I'm not going to delve into devout vs non-devout because that's a rabbit trail that neither one of us should or even could follow.

And not having economic powerhouses tied to money made during slavery does not dwindle the affect of slavery on the Africans who were enslaved nor the collateral damage caused by the Arab slave trade on those societies in general. But even beyond that, I would be very hard pressed to believe that years and years of slavery have not benefitted Arabs and their families in Africa and back home. And how could you even confirm that no current companies/businesses in the Middle East have benefitted from the fruits/ideas of enslaved peoples?

Like I said, I have NO ISSUE with the religion itself or its tenets. However, I do have an issue with someone trying to make Islam out to be this benevolent, genteel influence in Africa as if Muslims came there with nothing but the best intentions but somehow just happened to kill and enslave a thousands by accident. As if the Africans came up by being associated with a religion that was used to enslave African men and make African women sex slaves and house servants.

Yes, Islam did some good in terms of introducing a new concept of religion, but let's not negate the slew of bad that came with it. I find it funny how people are so quick to throw Europeans under the bus but put on the brakes when we're talking about Arabs in relation to Africa. I'm sorry, but I don't have that hangup.

Peace

 

[Blackking]

Thank you.

I still think you're missing the point though. The question isn't "Has Africa been united" its "Would Islam help to unite Africa"? to which as we can see would not be the case on the whole. Why didn't Christian Nubians, Egyptians, and Ethiopians not go on a rampage spreading the word of Christ? Their conversions were before Islam as we know, and yet nothing of the type happened? Arabs had a real need to expand and their nomadic lifestyle made it all the more easier not to mention Islam's portability in comparison to other religions, if those other groups you mentioned were too small or had adequate resources no reason to travel to other parts of the continent "to spread the word".

I'm also not under the belief that African kingdoms were united before Arabs, I'm of the belief that African kingdoms of those times practiced religions and cultures that were subsequently lost by the destructive force of Islam. You call it crushed the buildings, but it honestly was the systematic destruction of a way of life going back to their very beginnings. Not to say African tribes didn't war with each other or enslave each other, however in spite of different tribal customs these were still the original ways of African people not yet influenced by people or ideas outside of the continent. If anything, Islam hardly gets enough credit in the destruction of Africa but that's because it's involvement was more subtle and for a longer period of time.

Again, you're missing the point breh. It's not about whether or not Africans were conquering each other we know they did and still do that's why OP asked such a trollish question. In all of those instances, everything was carried out in an African way. Conquest, enslavement, societal norms, everything about those people's existence was African. However, if you put those Africans vs those Muslims that were highly motivated to get the legendary gold of the Western Sudan(Mali/Songhai) and these Muslims repeatedly wage jihad against these Africans they'll eventually conquer them which they did or they may coerce them into adopting their religion and customs in order to place the group under their rule. Not ALL customs were lost but many of them were and hence those old societies which were wholly African are now no longer so.

Slavery has been a part of Africa since the beginning, duly noted, however we can't sit here and say African slavery was at all the same as Arab slavery. Plus lets be reality, the trans saharan trade didn't boon until the Arabs involvement beginning in the 7th century. If anything, the few bits of benevolence displayed in the Arab model can be linked directly to the old African type. And buying your freedom was under certain circumstances and for the majority this did not happen, for every Malik Anbar there were millions of dikkless men and female sex slaves who wouldn't be buying their way outta shyt, oh and you do know many of these benevolent Muslim slave masters would stomp out the babies they created with those slave concubines as soon as they were born this is why there are scant traces of Africans remaining from that time period.

You don't have to believe me about Ghana, I'd deny it too if I were a black man defending Islam.

I don't believe you about the Ghanian empire... because you make it seem very weak and clueless and defenseless..... AS most of you are doing with Ancient Africa as a whole.

My people are connected with the beginning of African cultures..... so I'm offended that that's the way that you all think about Africans. Honestly, you nikkas are dissing Ancient Africa very heavily.

And I agree that African war and slavery was much different than arab or CAC slavery. But you're wrong, very wrong about the pre-Islamic conquest.
1) you say they have an 'african way' of doing things, lol.... well WTF was that way because from what I understand Ancient Egypt was so much different than certain tribes in central and southern Africa that it's simply not 'one way'.

2) You blame Islam... the last group (before the cac) to come in and take over.. for Some imaginary 'under spoken about' underestimated destruction of African culture- when, in reality Islamic groups came into Africa facing CHRIstian Kingdoms, lol... and other Kingdoms that had it DIRECTLY in their mission statement to destroy pagan cultures and force conversions, allow for ZERO % of slaves to gain freedom.. and Not promote any sense of unity amongst Africans. none of these groups allows slaves to be freed, allowed African science and technology to reach the golden era type potential.. or allow for Africans to enslave caucasions and asians, or allow for certain African kingdoms to spread as far as Europe. None of these groups that already destroyed African culture did any of this. Many of the things that I see these youtube Afrocentrist claim to be so called 'proud' of is --shyt that happened in post islamic kingdoms... that shyt is very weird to me, because they then diss Islam in the next video.

3)Fact of the matter is .... you're blaming Islam for doing what they did do and also what they didn't do. They approached disconnected, unified, already taken over groups.... and were the only ones to let African cultures co-exist with their culture. Go look up the majority of the places that hold on to some of the Original ideas...... and tell me what you find and notice breh,lol.

The question isn't "Has Africa been united"

Of course it's not....

and honestly, that's some sick shyt, smh.

 

[Blackking]

I'm asking you again: do you have a source? Why keep deflecting if it is common knowledge?

someone gave you a source but I'm not... your being ignorant on purpose.

You're asking the equivalent of.... "How do you know that all the signers of the Constitution were White".. "Prove it, I think you're deflecting "

 

[Blackking]

So you're saying Africans are naturally ignorant? I disagree with that.

Basically, somehow this thread turned into Africans are ignorant, hopeless, defenseless, and weak physically and mentally.... by nature.

 

[88m3]

So Africa would be a giant, massive even Calihpate?

I mean Madiyah period was relatively stable and successful. It could work on a mass scale?

@2Quik4UHoes

 

[Type Username Here]

someone gave you a source but I'm not... your being ignorant on purpose.

You're asking the equivalent of.... "How do you know that all the signers of the Constitution were White".. "Prove it, I think you're deflecting "

Why are you always bringing up homo shyt?