Can "Hispanic" Be Both Race and Ethnicity ?

[godkiller]

Middle Easterners are considered to be apart of the Caucasoid group.

However, like the Hispanic ethnic group in America, many of them are mixed with different ethnicities and are "purer" the more north you go..

The term "Caucasian" is an old anthropological term with little meaning. Arabs are not genetically European in that their genetic consellation fits outside European genetic clines which all European peoples (including New Zealand) fit. Arab's genetic consellation is outside the European cline the same way African and Asian do, albeit to a lesser extent. The Arab's founder haplogroup, J, is not even found in Europe beyond the Mediterranean, which implies the Europeans do not share the same origin. That said, many Arabs are generally mixed and they get lighter as the more Northern they get.

 

[godkiller]

I apologize for my ignorance. I am not well-versed in racial dynamics in the Arab world. Care to explain a bit for me (us)?

Arabs are closer to whites than blacks in general and get "purer" Arab the more Northern they inhabit, so you're on the right track. The fact they get more racially pure as you move up suggests that is their origin. In short, they are a type of aggressive Eurasian which have historically warred with blacks in places like Egypt and Sudan.

 

[godkiller]

Caucasoid is an outdated term? I still see the term being generally used in anthropological circles.
Caucasoid relates to a race where there are shared features (long narrow face, nasal sill, narrow high bridged nose, ect) but each ethnicity in the group has different hair textures and complexions.
What makes it invalid? I'm not trying to challenge you or say what you're saying is wrong but I was already on a middle ground with these racial classifications in the first place.

The "Caucasian" term is more of a made-up classification than a real genetic one. Arabs are not "white" (though some are, I think); just genetic intermediaries between Europe and Asia (i.e. the Middle East) with features which resemble cac's. I think geneticists call the purer Arabs, "Eurasians". The rest are Berber-Arab mongrels (occasionally intermixed with other things). I think their original origins are not far removed from cacs: Neaderthals or some shyt.

 

[Osmosis]

This whole black pride is bullshyt, gay pride is also bullshyt, white pride is also bullshyt, mongole pride is also bullshyt.. Humans and their silly labeling of everything!!

I'm tired of racism.. Seriously!!

The only thing we should be really proud of is the culture and the achievements of the place we come from. Not something so stupid as the amount of melanin in your skin.

Yeah.. Black people should take pride in American culture

Some of you dominic00ns are dumb as hell

 

[DonFrancisco]

Initially my answer was no.. But after reading this story I say sure...

In the US sure....in Latin Americs hell no. Race is a social construct. The lines are very real in Latin America and especially in places such as Brazil, DR, Bolivia, Mexico, and Peru.

 

[NoSingleMothersB]

Never understood why Blacks are so invested in what Latinos identify as. fukk em.

 

[Samori Toure]

Never understood why Blacks are so invested in what Latinos identify as. fukk em.

Which Blacks? Because I am pretty sure that the Blacks in the USA, Brazil, DR, Haiti, Jamaica, Canada, etc., are all pretty closely related genetically.

What is surprising is that my family has been in the USA for several hundred years and I have confirmation of that; get when I took a DNA test I recently learned that I am closely related to African Americans, which I expected; but then I found out that my next closest relations are Dominicans. I had never ever heard any of my relatives ever mention having Dominican grand parents or great grandparents, but then I remembered a speech that Malcolm X once gave; where he spoke of how slaves from Africa were first shipped to the Caribbean before coming to America, because they had to be tortured and broken in order to become a slave. So your point is lost on me.

 

[Quarterback]

Hispanic whites -- but they still consider themselves white.

They need to stop doing that. fukk em.

@GreatestLaker is a racist cac tryin to recruit em for his side

 

[Horus]

Middle Easterners are considered to be apart of the Caucasoid group.

However, like the Hispanic ethnic group in America, many of them are mixed with different ethnicities and are "purer" the more north you go.


I thought the American definition of Hispanic relates to inhabitants of Spanish speaking countries and cultures especially of Latin America?

SN: I thought it was a little funny how mixed race people living in Spanish speaking countries are considered Hispanic but mixed race individuals in former French and Portuguese colonies are not considered "Franco" or "Portuguese".

Arab is not a race. I still don't understand why so many people classify it as this. In fact, it's similar to the hispanic situation. People to natively speak Arabic are Arabs and those people come in many races. You have people from Syria with light hair/eyes/skin and people from North Africa or even North Sudan.

 

[toomanydoses]

No races just phenotypes just like plants blacks, whites, Hispanics, etc are all just different representations of Homo Sapiens Sapiens ( yes two Sapiens). We are all the same, seriously. Race is a socially constructed concept and thats clearly provable by historical record. The concept came around in the 1600s and the concept of inferior/superior races came about 100 year's later (racism like we know today). So no race isn't biological its socially constructed.

 

[OfTheCross]

No races just phenotypes just like plants blacks, whites, Hispanics, etc are all just different representations of Homo Sapiens Sapiens ( yes two Sapiens). We are all the same, seriously. Race is a socially constructed concept and thats clearly provable by historical record. The concept came around in the 1600s and the concept of inferior/superior races came about 100 year's later (racism like we know today). So no race isn't biological its socially constructed.

I never learned this concept.

 

[toomanydoses]

Yes look up the history, up until the 1700s Africans, Indians, etc were viewed as exotic but not bad. They had goods too trade...... Colonialism caused the shift in attitude imo and historians opinions.

I never learned this concept.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

Then we gotta add more racial categories besides white, black, asian, native american, and pacific islander.

Brazil:

branca (White) 54.28% 98,96% 0,73% 0,11% 0,07% 0,14% 100,00% 98,85
loira (Blonde) 0.05% 95,24% 0,00% 4,76% 0,00% 0,00% 100,00% 90,48
brasileira (Brazilian) 0.12% 91,20% 6,05% 2,27% 0,00% 0,47% 100,00% 88,93
branca + (adjectivated White) 0.14% 86,47% 9,62% 0,00% 3,91% 0,00% 100,00% 86,47
clara (of light colour) 0.78% 86,40% 11,93% 0,35% 0,14% 1,18% 100,00% 86,05
galega (Galician) 0.01% 70,99% 19,78% 0,00% 0,00% 9,23% 100,00% 70,99
castanha (Brown) 0.01% 63,81% 36,19% 0,00% 0,00% 0,00% 100,00% 63,81
morena clara (light Morena) 2.92% 38,35% 57,12% 1,46% 2,27% 0,81% 100,00% 36,89
jambo 0.02% 14,47% 77,96% 2,39% 5,18% 0,00% 100,00% 12,08
morena 20.89% 13,75% 76,97% 6,27% 2,62% 0,38% 100,00% 7,48
mestiça, mista (miscigenated, mixed) 0.08% 17,29% 59,44% 14,96% 7,60% 0,70% 100,00% 2,33
parda (Brown) 10.40% 1,03% 97,25% 1,40% 0,21% 0,10% 100,00% -0,37
sarará 0.04% 9,09% 60,14% 23,25% 0,00% 7,53% 100,00% -14,16
canela (of the colour of cinammon) 0.01% 11,13% 57,55% 26,45% 4,87% 0,00% 100,00% -15,32
mulata (Mulatto) 0.81% 1,85% 71,53% 25,26% 1,37% 0,00% 100,00% -23,41
marrom, chocolate (Brown, chocolate) 0.03% 4,56% 57,30% 38,14% 0,00% 0,00% 100,00% -33,58
morena escura (dark Morena) 0.45% 2,77% 54,80% 38,05% 4,15% 0,24% 100,00% -35,28
escura (of dark colour) 0.38% 0,59% 16,32% 81,67% 1,42% 0,00% 100,00% -81,08
negra (Black) 3.14% 0,33% 6,54% 92,62% 0,50% 0,02% 100,00% -92,29
preta (Black)

I see a whole lot of black and indian trying hard not to be classified as black and indian, in that list -- facts.

 

[OfTheCross]

I see a whole lot of black and indian trying hard not to be classified as black and indian, in that list -- facts.

The colors are defined literally..

What color are you? Brown, light brown, dark, etc.

 

[Cabbage Patch]

The colors are defined literally..

What color are you? Brown, light brown, dark, etc.

No, they're not. Otherwise, there'd be a hell of a lot more shades of white/peach/pink/olive. There's actually a 'blonde' group -- I guess that's for all the folk with 'good hair' who can't outright pass as european.