Can Black people create shows like The Wire or Breaking Bad?

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Nikka you actually believe this?:stopitslime: George Lucas is worth 2 billion plus dollars, if the nikka wanted to fund and distribute his movie, he could have done it. This whole statement was a marketing scheme to get black folk into the theaters. Like black folk need to support mediocre black movies, so more mediocre black movies can get made.:stopitslime:

you can't just THROW money at shyt and solve problems instantly. Thats why you pay other people to do things who are better focused on that aspect of the business.

The movie ain't even sell tix like that and I know they promoted it.

Even further, no one invests their money with the risk of LOSING it.

He's not stupid. he knew it was a gamble so RIGHTLY SO he shielded himself from the fiscal windfall. You can't blame him on that. Thats how he stays rich.

The fact he made the movie at all is to be commended.
 

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disappointed someone would actually ask a question like this

a better question would have been would we get an opportunity to create these kinda shows

yeah the same opportunity like tariq nasheed with hidden colors. this dude is promoting knowledge and people are flocking to the shyt.

STOP BLAMING USELESS CACS.
 

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yeah, hating cacs stopped tariq nasheed from making hidden colors and being one of the top docus on amazon and Itunes, you people are all STUPID.

GTFOH with all that rubbish.

different market.

Nasheed's film was only in limited theaters AND had a relatively short run.

Most people that saw HC1&2 saw it on DVD/Online.
 

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different market.

Nasheed's film was only in limited theaters AND had a relatively short run.

Most people that saw HC1&2 saw it on DVD/Online.

but he didn't blame cacs and his shyt is about knowledge which is even greater than the wire and breaking bad combined.

STOP MAKING USELESS DUMB EXCUSES., CAC THIS CAC THAT. :stopitslime:
 

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but he didn't blame cacs and his shyt is about knowledge which is even greater than the wire and breaking bad combined.

STOP MAKING USELESS DUMB EXCUSES., CAC THIS CAC THAT. :stopitslime:

I didn't say he blamed white folks. he just did what it took and put his all into it....but its no where near the level of what it takes to do a major film
 

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you can't just THROW money at shyt and solve problems instantly. Thats why you pay other people to do things who are better focused on that aspect of the business.

The movie ain't even sell tix like that and I know they promoted it.

Even further, no one invests their money with the risk of LOSING it.

He's not stupid. he knew it was a gamble so RIGHTLY SO he shielded himself from the fiscal windfall. You can't blame him on that. Thats how he stays rich.

The fact he made the movie at all is to be commended.

Nikka did you even the see the movie?:comeon:The CGI was some windows 98 bullshyt, the acting was terrible, the script was terrible, the whole fukken movie was terrible. In the end, I really think he wanted to make a movie about WW 2 but didn't know how to approach it, so he did this half in the bag bullshyt movie. He is a world renowned director, so I am going to assume he knows something about making a good movie, he couldn't get more involved somehow and make the movie better?:usure:
 

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Nikka did you even the see the movie?:comeon:The CGI was some windows 98 bullshyt, the acting was terrible, the script was terrible, the whole fukken movie was terrible. In the end, I really think he wanted to make a movie about WW 2 but didn't know how to approach it, so he did this half in the bag bullshyt movie. He is a world renowned director, so I am going to assume he knows something about making a good movie, he couldn't get more involved somehow and make the movie better?:usure:

with whose money? :usure:
 

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John Singleton has penned a provocative op-ed for the Hollywood Reporter on white directors making Black films. Citing The Help and 42 as recent examples, the outspoken filmmaker points out the "latent racism" in Hollywood, where Black films are made by entirely white creative teams with little to no input from filmmakers of color.

"Even when there are Black directors or writers involved, some of the films made today seem like they're sifted of soul," he writes. "It's as if the studios are saying, 'We want it Black, just not that Black.'"

Singleton points out the upcoming biopic of James Brown as a particularly troubling example of the white-washing of Black films. "It gives one pause that someone is making a movie about the icon who laid down the foundation of funk, hip hop and Black economic self-reliance with no African-American involvement behind the scenes," he says.

Despite his harsh words for the Hollywood establishment, Singleton does allow that several white filmmakers have hit the mark when it comes to Black subjects. "There are several white filmmakers who have told Black stories and gotten it right," he concedes, citing The Hurricane director Norman Jewison and Ray helmer Taylor Hackford as two examples.

More importantly, however, Singleton claims that despite the lack of diversity in Hollywood, 2013 has turned out to be a "banner year" for Black filmmakers. "Nearly a dozen Black movies will be released before [the year] is over," he points out. "And with awards season just around the corner, three indie flicks are right in the mix: Ryan Coogler's remarkable and unquestionably authentic debut, Fruitvale Station; my friend LeeDaniels' The Butler, which has drawn a diverse crowd and topped the box office three weeks in a row; and the film everyone is waiting for, Steve McQueen's 12 Years a Slave."

In conclusion, the Boyz N the Hood director sheds light on why Black films strike a universal chord. "What Hollywood execs need to realize is that Black-themed stories appeal to the mainstream because they are uniquely American. Our story reminds audiences of struggles and triumphs, dreams and aspirations we all share."

http://www.bet.com/news/celebrities/2013/09/20/john-singleton-talks-latent-racism-in-hollywood.html
 

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I didn't say he blamed white folks. he just did what it took and put his all into it....but its no where near the level of what it takes to do a major film

I used tariq nasheed as an example to show how things could be done without any cac excuses.

A lot of people on this whole thread have used cacs as excuses for us not having our own high quality complex storytelling shows because cacs won't greenlight it.

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT PREMISE.

Black people just want simplified answers for all our problems, our people don't want to think. We catch feelings too easily, it's ridiculous.

I mean look at all the gender wars and shyt, total GARBAGE and nothing is getting solved with all the youtube videos, blogtalkradios, useless steve harvey, oprah approved books etc.

We need this shyt to be shown in a visual format bcause we are just too sensitive and stupid to sit down and analyze this in a complex manner.
 

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as far as getting white audiences/critics interested in black film, I feel like talented black filmmakers should follow Steve McQueen's example. His first two films(Hunger, Shame) aren't black films. but they were still extremely well made and proved that he was more than just a black filmmaker, he was a talented filmmaker period. he earned his rep as an artist, not as a black filmmaker so he wasn't placed in that box that so many other black directors have been placed in.

now, he can make movies like 12 Years a Slave that will bring in not only a black audience but also the mostly white, arthouse audience he developed with his first two films that are interested in his work. for the rest of his career he can make films about the black experience if he wants too but they won't carry the label of "black film," just a movie from a talented director that happens to have black subject matter. Now if he tried to make 12 Years a Slave as his first movie, no way in hell would it be funded or receive support from people like Brad Pitt. but he was able to make it because he already earned his rep in the film world

you see the same examples with actors

Coming to America is the highest grossing black movie of all time. but it wouldn't have been nearly as successful with white audiences if Eddie hadn't already earned a white following through SNL, 48 Hours, Trading Places and Beverly Hills Cop. If Coming to America was his first movie, his career would've been way different. Same thing with Bill Cosby. If he never starred in I Spy, the Cosby Show probably would never have gained a white audience

I'm forever grateful to Spike Lee for catering strictly towards black audiences throughout his career, but I have no doubt in my mind that he'd be more successful if his first films were 25th Hour and Inside Man and then he used that established rep to start making Do the Right Things and Malcolm Xs...

some people may view what I wrote as an example of black filmmaker's selling out, and maybe in a way it is. but if they're goal is to reach an audience beyond a black one I don't see what other type of strategy would work.
 
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I used tariq nasheed as an example to show how things could be done without any cac excuses.

A lot of people on this whole thread have used cacs as excuses for us not having our own high quality complex storytelling shows because cacs won't greenlight it.

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT PREMISE.

Black people just want simplified answers for all our problems, our people don't want to think. We catch feelings too easily, it's ridiculous.

I mean look at all the gender wars and shyt, total GARBAGE and nothing is getting solved with all the youtube videos, blogtalkradios, useless steve harvey, oprah approved books etc.

We need this shyt to be shown in a visual format bcause we are just too sensitive and stupid to sit down and analyze this in a complex manner.


So what you are saying is you wanna see some shyt like The Avengers but with all black people. Die Hard, with all black people, Aliens with all black people etc... right.?
 

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who told you they are not working with him?

you can do whatever thats why i used him as an example. everything is a make money scheme in the black community. that should be your excuse.

stop talking about cacs to silence people
kanye said non music folks are not working with him...they wont let him build/design...they want him to fund all his own projects, so he becomes broke
 

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Nikka you actually believe this?:stopitslime: George Lucas is worth 2 billion plus dollars, if the nikka wanted to fund and distribute his movie, he could have done it. This whole statement was a marketing scheme to get black folk into the theaters. Like black folk need to support mediocre black movies, so more mediocre black movies can get made.:stopitslime:
partners make the movie business work...i wont invest 2 billion in one movie...any movie is a risk..
 

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So what you are saying is you wanna see some shyt like The Avengers but with all black people. Die Hard, with all black people, Aliens with all black people etc... right.?

NO. I want to see black storytelling being told in a complex visual manner un-peeling all the layers of disfunction in our society and producing the end result on what we need to do change ourselves as human beings, our communities and the world at large.
 

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Because blacks don't promote a news culture, go to africa, on their airwaves education is promoted.
blacks need to do for themselves...and adapt and be assimilated into any culture, while having the upper hand based on their strength of hard work
 
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