yep, and it's been at unprecedented levels with Obama. it makes it hard to ignore the race factor
Call me shallow, but I like the fact that this is the President
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yep, and it's been at unprecedented levels with Obama. it makes it hard to ignore the race factor
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
No, the best hope is educating your fellow man at the very least or becoming politically active and hoping that somehow people become more politically intuned and start to make the connections between government policies and their living conditions so they can form enough of a powerful bloc centered around a few basic tenets of social justice to offset corporate dollars...which is unlikely, but still an ideal to strive for.
Either that or this. New age Reign of Terror? - ProjectCOVO.com Global Forum
Ballot box or bullet box.
But seriously, the "fukk Obama for not being a progressive" stuff I think is short-sighted and is an emotional personification of a what is really a structural critique of the political system and the flaws and shortcomings of civic society. It's inbounds--mandatory even--to criticize his presidency for its ineffectiveness in the most key areas, while at the same time it's foolish to do so in a vacuum without acknowledging the pre-existing conditions: the corrupt banking system, monetary system, trade policy, the state of campaign financing, the need for re-election and coffer filling for it, the broken political system, atrocious unprecedented abused arcane Senate rules, political obstructionism, the bloated national security apparatus and military-industrial complex, the effects of race, religion, and social mores on the electorate, the culture of distraction and short attention spans, disinterest and ignorance on behalf of voters (and non-voters), these fukking idiots who think returning to the economic policies of Eisenhower is a Bolshevik revolution, etc.
Again, America is America. We can only try to make it better. Not voting for the more progressive candidate because he wasn't progressive enough is foolish and counterintuitive as it sounds though...especially when you live in the largest swing state.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Yeah it amazes me how people who don't vote but criticize the political system don't see how they're complicit in it being what it is. Malcolm X got it.
Are any of you progressive keyboard revolutionaries gonna call Malcolm X a c00n or a sycophant or some other colorful name?
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Nigerianwonder
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It will be too late. In all honesty it already is. All our political capital was wasted on Obama. And because our economic condition has deteriorated so rapidly in the past few years we wont get that political capital back. The two are tied together.
While you were playing checkers and just happy to have a black face for symbolism, white folks were playing chess and used this symbol to distract you and keep you complacent while their policies destroy you. Under no under president would this level of targeted economic destruction be tolerated. At 8 percent unemployment white folks occupy wall street while at 17% for blacks were just happy Obama is seen giving Kevin Durant a pound at practice. The black middle class has lost over 50% of our wealth in the past 4 years.
Recession widens the wealth gap by race - Jun. 21, 2012
Wealth of black families has disappeared - MarketWatch
With that said. Symbolism is ok and can be a good thing. But not at the expense of your future.
Techniec
Drugs and Kalashnikovs
ive never been under the impression an american president is gonna look out for me
seeing a black president who plays ball and who used to kick it with rashid khalidi is the best ill get
it is what it is
seeing a black president who plays ball and who used to kick it with rashid khalidi is the best ill get
it is what it is
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
I don't care much about symbolism. But do you attribute the 17% black unemployment rate to Obama policies and do you think it would've been lower under a McCain presidency?
Nigerianwonder
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Absolutely not. But I contribute black complacency and apathy towards their current situation directly to the fact that Obama is in office.
The better question is do you think black folks and black "leadership" would put up with this under a McCain presidency? Do you think black folks would use the excuse that McCain is the president of all Americans and does not need to advocate policies that address them directly?
That doesn't mean anything to me, im not a progressive, I'm leaning more toward the right lately and I think other black people will too, the key to problems in the black community is changing the culture and more capitalism
Obama is good for changing both black culture and mainstream culture whixh is good, that's all that black people really need, the rest black people have to do on our own
did you not notice we are currently in the middle of a worldwide recession. And this statement holds true for most people in most countries. How is this Obama's fault? And how is he supposed to magically fix black unemployment when there are no jobs for ANYONE. And this targeted economic destruction you speak of has been going on for decades. The rich have been getting richer and the poor have been getting poorer in this country for the last 50 years. It's just compounded now cause when the shyt hits the fan the lowest people get it the worst.
did you not notice we are currently in the middle of a worldwide recession. And this statement holds true for most people in most countries. How is this Obama's fault? And how is he supposed to magically fix black unemployment when there are no jobs for ANYONE. And this targeted economic destruction you speak of has been going on for decades. The rich have been getting richer and the poor have been getting poorer in this country for the last 50 years. Obama has made steps to stop this trend but there is allot of work to be done. Things just seem worse now caus when the shut hits the fan those ate the bottom get it the worst.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Not exactly sure by what you mean put up with, but McCain wouldn't get any good will from the black community just like no current Republican would.
As far as too many blacks just being happy Obama is in and not paying attention to policy, no argument from me there. Black people need to be more politically informed and engaged on the issues, just as everyone should. I thought it was pretty disgusting that Obama went barnstorming all over the midwest doing rallies and didn't stop in one majority black city. Obviously his advisors have told him to try and focus on working class whites and ignore blacks because their votes are in the bag and being seen with them might turn off white voters and he's gone along with it.
But at the end of the day voting for him as opposed to a Republican is in our best interest because they are the party of the ghost of Jim Crow and unlimited corporate ownership of the political system (the Dems are too, just not as much or as flagrant). So the having all your eggs in one basket thing sucks, but I don't see a better option at this point unless there's some seismic policy and constituency shift in the parties.
I mention that because twism talked about looking elsewhere to vote after this election and I thought you might be co-singing him. I honestly would like to see a viable Republican party candidate I would consider voting for, there just isn't one. They kicked the only one (Charlie Crist) out of the party. Maybe I'd look at Chris Christie, but I'd have to learn more about his positions on a national level.
what makes me laugh is how you had all these people who for 8 years were cool with gwb f*cking over this country big time where things went to hell. things got so bad that we were fearing for our lives where we had a terror alert system and everybody was scared to go to the subway, to the mall, to the bus, to anywhere right? they also couldn't get jobs either and you pretty much were assed out. you would think that after he did such a horrible job that he would get kicked out of office. what happened? they voted for a second term after his horrible first term as if the first four years wasn't enough. maybe it was because he was white. maybe it was because they thought they were safer with him despite the fact that 9/11 happened under his watch. after 8 years, there wasn't a problem for the most part with all the crazy sh!t he did. he's long gone and forgotten even though the problems that he caused are still here affecting our lives.
some four years later, they see a black man running for office and all of a sudden, he's a threat to the nation where america's going down to the toilet. then when he gets the vote off of the whole "change" thing that he sold to the people, they blame him for what the other guy did the last 8 years expecting him to magically fix those problems that were in the last person's term.
yeah, says a lot about americans though.
some four years later, they see a black man running for office and all of a sudden, he's a threat to the nation where america's going down to the toilet. then when he gets the vote off of the whole "change" thing that he sold to the people, they blame him for what the other guy did the last 8 years expecting him to magically fix those problems that were in the last person's term.
yeah, says a lot about americans though.
I know for a fact he stopped in Akron, Ohio a predominantly black city and he even stopped in the hood. I think the biggest problem with Obama is misinformation, he and his handlers have dropped the ball on getting the important information to the people. They let the news report on what he's doing or what his polocies say but they never challenge inaccuracies, or missing information. I saw a poll where they asked people if they supported each part of obama care separately without mentioning Obama. Most issues got over 85% support, but when the same pollsters asked if people supported "Obama Care" support dropped below 50%. In my opinion this is a total failure of the administration. It doesn't matter what good he's doing for the people. If they don't know/understand what is going on he is doing something wrong. Perception is everything.
Nigerianwonder
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And this targeted economic destruction you speak of has been going on for decades. The rich have been getting richer and the poor have been getting poorer in this country for the last 50 years. It's just compounded now cause when the shyt hits the fan the lowest people get it the worst.
I'm not blaming Obama directly for the current situation. And this "world wide recession" is not effecting every one equally so that does not justify your apathy.
And there are plenty of policies the president can advocate that can directly and indirectly stimulate black unemployment. A push for more govt jobs is major one. One of the few employment options where black folks get a fair shake and the largest employer of blacks just so happens to be where all the republicans want to make their cuts. When will black folks wake up to the game?
Another way to stimulate black employment is to push for more govt contracts to black owned (not "minority") businesses. Here a fun fact, the majority of "minority" govt contracts go to companies owned by white women. On top of that the SBA under president Obama's presidency relaxed the rules on what defines a small business so now the true black owned small business have more competition when competing for small business contracts.
Those are just 2 examples off the top of my head. Your whole argument is filled with republican talking points which is strange cause your using that to defend Obama.