Call me shallow, but I like the fact that this is the President

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It's totally and completely different. Again if someone votes for Bush and supports his policies on the basis that they like him and trust him and want to have a beer with him, they're a retard.

Likewise if someone votes for Obama and supports his policies on the basis that they think he's cool and gives NBA players pounds, they're a retard.

There's nothing wrong with mentioning likeability factors, it should just not be the determinant factor, or any factor really, in assessing job performance or who vote for.

The OP was OBVIOUSLY facetious and light-hearted, or so I thought. But I forgot HL is full of people who are ultra-serious 24/7 and have no sense of humor and would turn it into a forum on campaign promises and lobbying influence.

It probably would have come off as more of an attempt at being facetious if it was done by someone who is not so decidedly pro-Obama.
Its quite easy to assume you seriously factor in his "swag" (Jebus I hate that word) as a means of ignoring his negatives because he is your guy. Not a criticism but just pointing it out.
 

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It probably would have come off as more of an attempt at being facetious if it was done by someone who is not so decidedly pro-Obama.
Its quite easy to assume you seriously factor in his "swag" (Jebus I hate that word) as a means of ignoring his negatives because he is your guy. Not a criticism but just pointing it out.

Yeah I can see how someone who isn't familiar with my posting would think that. But the extent of my Obama support since about early 09 has always been me saying he's politically a coward and a horrible negotiator but I'm still voting for him because he's the best of the two choices and it's never encompassed "swag." To call that tepid support would be an understatement. So it's kinda weird to hear it coming from regular posters.

Some of these dudes are so binary and reflexive. They equate voting for Obama with blind hero worship. Ironically, they're mostly posters who engaged in blind hero worship of Obama when he was campaigning. So they seem to be projecting their hurt feelings.
 

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Admittedly I wouldn't say it in public and I say it that on the premise that obama means well and is a decent fellow, but fundamentally I support him and always have supported him because he's black

I don't support obama blindly, I support him strategically as a power move by the black race

obama is too historic to be fukin around on some policy mumbo jumbo, I think after this election me and a whole lot of black people will be looking more closely at other parties and policies but for now it's best to just make sure obama gets reelected jut for the sake of having a black president for four more years

I wanna disagree....

I have disagreed in the past with this

But in theory it makes perfect sense to me.

But it says a lot, when you know you (not the personal you) can draw the line between Herman Cain and Obama.

So its not necessarily all about the race of the politician. Because I doubt we'd both be saying Herman Cain winning is a win for the race lol
 

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To summarize this thread:

1) If you believed what Obama said, wrote, and his voting record...and you thought he was going to live up to that, you're an idiot who should realize you're an idiot BUT still vote for him because he's the best option you have and it's YOUR fault he lied.

OR

2) You're somehow a better person because you KNEW he was LYING and that he was a modern republican all along and doing whatever he could to rile up the progressive base.

Only in the sick, twisted corrupted system of the bought out 2-party system is option 2 seen as honorable, and option 1 seen as weak.

That's the problem with our system ladies and gentlemen, and why it will never change. Fear of the opposition party winning will always trump the expectations of truth telling.
 

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C'mon my breh

I understand how unrealistic it is (or was) to want Obama to lead a Dem-Soc revoloution, but its dishonest for you to pretend he didn't promise one thing and do another.

Whether someone is cynical enough to inherently distrust politicians is one thing, but that doesn't make Obama's lies any less daunting.

What did he promise and didn't do?
 

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I've had problems with Obama over the last four years but will vote for him again. I think the only reason he's likely to win despite this shyt economy is because people like him and recognize he's a good dude even if they disagree with the politics. Dude is just...a decent dude.

I was reading some shyt about democrat insiders/donors being upset Obama doesn't hang with them like Clinton did. This dude Obama spends his free time with his family or watching sports or just reading, not slobbin knobs with the parasites that congregate in DC townhouses for wine parties. I respect that.

And of course policy wise I tend to agree with him. I'm still mad he didn't utilize that super majority when he had the chance tho...this economy could have been quite different
 

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To summarize this thread:

1) If you believed what Obama said, wrote, and his voting record...and you thought he was going to live up to that, you're an idiot who should realize you're an idiot BUT still vote for him because he's the best option you have and it's YOUR fault he lied.

OR

2) You're somehow a better person because you KNEW he was LYING and that he was a modern republican all along and doing whatever he could to rile up the progressive base.

Only in the sick, twisted corrupted system of the bought out 2-party system is option 2 seen as honorable, and option 1 seen as weak.

That's the problem with our system ladies and gentlemen, and why it will never change. Fear of the opposition party winning will always trump the expectations of truth telling.

How did he not live up to what he stood for in running for president. In which ways did his goals and policies change when he got into office?
 

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To summarize this thread:

1) If you believed what Obama said, wrote, and his voting record...and you thought he was going to live up to that, you're an idiot who should realize you're an idiot BUT still vote for him because he's the best option you have and it's YOUR fault he lied.

OR

2) You're somehow a better person because you KNEW he was LYING and that he was a modern republican all along and doing whatever he could to rile up the progressive base.

Only in the sick, twisted corrupted system of the bought out 2-party system is option 2 seen as honorable, and option 1 seen as weak.

That's the problem with our system ladies and gentlemen, and why it will never change. Fear of the opposition party winning will always trump the expectations of truth telling.

Wrong. More like Obama ran as a typical Democratic party centrist like Gore or Kerry and people like you somehow got duped into the impression that he was some kind of Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich when he never presented himself that way. You can talk about he lied about the Patriot Act or lobbyists or whatever, but if it's surprising to you that a politician went back on a few campaign promises, I don't know what to tell you, young man.

For the most part he's governed as he ran. I'm more disappointed in his lack of will and ability to negotiate than anything else (debt ceiling, Bush tax cuts, healthcare reform).

I don't know what you saw in 08, but I saw a guy who...

-Spoke in platitudes about the economy being "geared toward those at the top" but never expressed any specifics on remedying that other than returning yo the Clinton top marginal rate.

-Said nothing about campaign finance reform.

-Said nothing about breaking up the big banks, nationalization, curtailing derivatives trading or bringing back Glass-Steagall

-Supported half ass public option healthcare reform, not single payer.

-Said nothing about marijuana legalization or ending the drug war or the private prison industrial-complex.

-Said he wanted to return to Bush Sr.'s foreign policy.

-Said he wanted a surge in Afghanistan.

-Threatened to bomb Pakistan and said he would continue drone strikes.

-Never mentioned poverty and just talked about middle class this and that like every other politician.

-Never talked about gun control.

-Raised more corporate cash than any presidential nominee in history and outraged his opponent by a 3-1 margin.

-His biggest campaign contributor was Goldman Sachs.

-Said nothing about slashing the size of the military or changing to a non-interventionist approach.

-Never addressed systemic racial injustice and only lectured black men about how they're "acting like boys."

-Supported expanding drilling.

So this progressive candidate you campaigned for and knocked door to door for and donated money to was a figment of your imagination.

Obama was a traditional Democrat who ran on a traditional Democrat platform. I hate to break it to you, but the next Democratic nominee will be the same way. America is America. Norway ain't walking though that door.
 

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Traditional in terms of recent memory, like you and my lifetimes. The last President with a domestic policy that could be described bas progressive in any way was LBJ.

So the best hope then is to keep voting for moderate republicans with a (D) next to their name?

That's going to help us?
 

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Yeah, it's better than voting for the crazy republicans. And I don't think a super liberal president is what this country needs either. The way politics is currently set up I the country, ALL politicians spend more time and effort trying to bash the other party and get reelected than they do actually trying to fix the country.

Obama can't even get his centrist policies through. lord forbid he was actually trying to push a 'liberal' agenda
 

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Obama can't even get his centrist policies through. lord forbid he was actually trying to push a 'liberal' agenda

It's because the Republicans are playing tug-a-war and they are succeeding in pulling the country further right with every election since 1980.

In 30 years, a person like Bachman or Palin might be the democratic candidate.
 

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Obama can't even get his centrist policies through. lord forbid he was actually trying to push a 'liberal' agenda

No president could get anything passed with a congress that is determined to make him fail and not pass ANYTHING not even their own ideas. Your united states congress announced that their goal was to stop Obama. Not fix unemployment, jobs, income inequality, ect. Just to stop Obama.

This is why i said the way politics is currently set up makes it impossible for us to move forward as a country. Instead of trying to figure out how to help the country they are concerned with trying to make the president and fellow democrats look bad.
 

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It's because the Republicans are playing tug-a-war and they are succeeding in pulling the country further right with every election since 1980.

In 30 years, a person like Bachman or Palin might be the democratic candidate.


Wish you didn't paint that picture play boi

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