Call me shallow, but I like the fact that this is the President

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That's an insult? Something I admitted on my own? I was extremely naive about his intentions but don't make me bring out the Campaign Obama Videos. You know damn well he lied about significant things.

The thing is you weren't paying attention. Your head was in the clouds and you were gassed up on hope and change rhetoric and thought he was coming to save you.

I never thought hope and change was anything more than a packaged campaign slogan and unlike you, I actually paid attention and I saw a guy proposing centrist traditional Democratic party policies like Kerry and Gore before him. My enthusiasm about him was mostly because he was black, and I'm not ashamed of that in the slightest. :yeshrug:

I always said he was the best pragmatic choice.

You were naive because you allowed yourself to get intoxicated by the wave of Obamania that you formed a superhero caricature in his mind that he never was, now that he hasn't turned America into Norway, you're butthurt about it. That's on you, buddy.

You continue to make excuses to support him, while your posting history is quite literally filled with posts throwing dirt on Bush for SAME things Obama is still doing. You just brush it off because you are a partisan.

How much does Media Matters and MoveOn.org pay you to liter this board with their memo points, headlines and videos?

lol...yes, I made a post where I called him a sellout to the military-industrial complex, the big banks, the pharmaceutical and health insurance companies, and a shytty negotiator, but I'm making excuses to support him. :stopitslime:

My primary beefs with Bush were the Iraq War and lying his way into it (first and foremost), and his trainwreck of a fiscal policy that left the largest deficit ever. If you want to get into the Patriot Act, wiretapping, and drone strikes, policies that are encroachments on civil liberties that Obama has continued, as I've explained to you a million times before whenever you go on one of these whiny rants, that stuff doesn't bother me nearly as much as economic matters.

I never really cared about that shyt too much, even when Bush was on office. :manny: You're a paranoid hardcore civil libertarian, and I respect that, but I'm not you, so don't talk to me like I am.

I don't know if you've noticed this or not, but the country will move more in the direction of a surveillance society/police state regardless of who the President is, and so will the rest of the world. Even if you got some liberal ass politician like Dennis Kucinich in there, he's not going to dismantle the national security apparatus, which is comprised of 1,271 government agencies, 1,931 private companies in over 10,000 locations in America with 854,000 people that hold top-secret security clearances. If you think so, you are even more naive now than you were when you thought Obama was your progressive messiah. If it bothers you that bad, you might as well go ahead and buy that ticket to Norway and live there...that is until it moves in the same direction the U.S. is in regard to its national security apparatus and methods, which it inevitably will.

Your don't see it the way I see it, and that's fine. But quite frankly your constant ventilation of your vagina and your "I want my President to be a progressive waaaaah! :to:" rants every time someone speaks a word about Obama that isn't calling him a piece of shyt, especially in a thread like this which was obviously meant to be facetious, non-threatening, and light-hearted and turning it into a treatise on his policies of his administration is past corny and annoying.

You praising him for a handshake is the equivalent of those idiots 10 years ago saying they would vote for Bush because he "looked like a President they could have a few beers with."

Nothing different.
If you're going to have a brain as your avatar, you should probably use the one in your head once in a while. I wasn't "praising" him on his presidential performance and this has nothing to do with policy. I was just saying I like the idea that I have a President that's cool and seems like a regular dude I could talk to.

Regarding people wanting to have a few beers with Bush there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The key word phrase in your sentence was "THEY WOULD VOTE." Voting for someone because they seem personable is retarded. But I'm not voting for Obama because he gave Kevin Durant a pound. I'm voting for him because he's the better policy man than Romney. If he was some swagless old redneck who had the exact same ideology and record, I would vote for him, I just wouldn't find him as personable.

Regarding the personal likeability factor, I'm not apologizing for the fact that I like that I have a President who has is a biracial black man like me and has experienced things and has an outlook on some matters based on that experience that is similar to mine after 43 cac presidents, sorry.
 

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White people generally have this same mentality. It's the reason that Obama is the first non white man to be POTUS. Judging these politicians based on style over substance. Voting for a guy based on the fact that you'd "chill" with him.
 

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Alot of Black Folks are still under a spell of hope and change that is never coming from Obama. This is what is expected of them since now they fall in line with white folks voting for white candidates b/c they can relate to the white man, goes the same for Obama's case. Doesn't matter that he has helped kill black folk around the world with drones and coups. Has allowed Police to stop and frisk and harass and kill them everywhere they go without any justice. No jobs and benefits in urban cities. But b/c he shows up once in awhile to a highly Black populated city, or at a sports game or Apollo Theater....it's all good.

we always giving NICCAS passes just for being "COOL"

as opposed to being PROFESSIONAL or just coming thru with "RESULTS"...

and fukk all this OBAMA is the MESSIAH talk......it ain't a crime to critique a brother when he is doing WRONG...

A dude yesterday at the barbershop said that he wasn't particularly a "fan of Obama" and they like to damn thier Jump the dude in the shop....

sad.....and what's even sadder is that these were the most politically ignorant set of niccas i heard in my life.....

Obama's globalist ideals and fukked up foriegn policy is not something to be proud of :ohlawd:
 

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C'mon my breh

I understand how unrealistic it is (or was) to want Obama to lead a Dem-Soc revoloution, but its dishonest for you to pretend he didn't promise one thing and do another.

Whether someone is cynical enough to inherently distrust politicians is one thing, but that doesn't make Obama's lies any less daunting.

The only things I can think of that he clearly said he was going to do and didn't without even an attempt are the national security/civil liberties matters that I spoke about earlier. He straight flipped on all that shyt. :laugh: But as I said before, those aren't make or break voting issues for me and I see them as inevitable. The floodgates are open and we're not going back to a society that values privacy regardless of who's elected. We're moving more in the direction of surveillance society. The whole world is.

On economic matters (which I find most important), he's mostly been guilty of being a p*ssy and a horrible negotiator, which while is disappointing and should be critiqued heavily on, as I have relentlessly (somehow TUH seems to have selective amnesia when it comes to that), is different than straight up lying.
 

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White people generally have this same mentality. It's the reason that Obama is the first non white man to be POTUS. Judging these politicians based on style over substance. Voting for a guy based on the fact that you'd "chill" with him.

Don't know if you're talking about me, but I would never vote for Obama or anyone else based on whether I'd chill with them. I'll vote for him against Romney based on his record and policy just as I would some old swagless redneck that had identical positions and record.
 

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The thing is you weren't paying attention. Your head was in the clouds and you were gassed up on hope and change rhetoric and thought he was coming to save you.

I never thought hope and change was anything more than a packaged campaign slogan and unlike you, I actually paid attention and I saw a guy proposing centrist traditional Democratic party policies like Kerry and Gore before him. My enthusiasm about him was mostly because he was black, and I'm not ashamed of that in the slightest. :yeshrug:

I always said he was the best pragmatic choice.

You were naive because you allowed yourself to get intoxicated by the wave of Obamania that you formed a superhero caricature in his mind that he never was, now that he hasn't turned America into Norway, you're butthurt about it. That's on you, buddy.

Nah breh, you weren't paying attention. Read his book. Read about his mom's work and philosophy. Read the things he believed in before he became a politician. That shouldn't inspire someone to believe him? Words he wrote and said before he had any political ambition? I felt that was a good judgement of character into he really was. I was wrong. He's a liar.

Simple question for you and be honest, did the man say the following things:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA[/ame]

Did he say that yes or no? Was it altered or did someone force him to say that?

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60mU68XDb4M[/ame]

Did those words not come out his mouth?

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ieWAp84SY[/ame]

Did he say those words?


I can literally keep going and going with these videos before I get to the things he said to the written press that was not on video.
 

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Don't know if you're talking about me, but I would never vote for Obama or anyone else based on whether I'd chill with them. I'll vote for him against Romney based on his record and policy just as I would some old swagless redneck that had identical positions and record.
Well your original post basically says "yea he's a shyt president, but I like him because of his swag". I'm just saying that a lot of white people refuse to vote for Obama because of that same mentality. They'll vote for Romney regardless of how they actually feel about the job he's done as a politician, just because they're more comfortable with his swag vs Obama.
 

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Nah breh, you weren't paying attention. Read his book. Read about his mom's work and philosophy. Read the things he believed in before he became a politician. That shouldn't inspire someone to believe him? Words he wrote and said before he had any political ambition? I felt that was a good judgement of character into he really was. I was wrong. He's a liar.

Simple question for you and be honest, did the man say the following things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr9ezr8UeA

Did he say that yes or no? Was it altered or did someone force him to say that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60mU68XDb4M

Did those words not come out his mouth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ieWAp84SY

Did he say those words?


I can literally keep going and going with these videos before I get to the things he said to the written press that was not on video.

Regarding the video about marijuana legalization. That was from 2004, bruh. :stopitslime: He wasn't running for President then. He didn't campaign on legalizing marijuana. In fact he affirmed he wanted to keep it illegal during his campaigning. I don't know why you included that one.

Regarding the lobbying videos, no doubt, he promised lobbyists wouldn't influence his administration and he has lobbyists greatly influence policy now. +1 point for you.

But as I said, overall, he still ran as a centrist Dem like Kerry or Gore for the most part.

He ran on public option healthcare, not single payer. He didn't run on an specific policy fixes for the big banks, breaking them up, nationalizing them, bringing back Glass-Steagall, or anything. In fact, he courted Wall Street execs at meeting starting back in 2007 and his biggest donor was Goldman Sachs! He ran on continuing the Afghanistan War. He didn't run on drastically reducing the size of the military or having any sea change in foreign policy. He even said he wanted to return to policy similar to George Bush Sr! He said he would ramp up drone strikes and flirted with bombing Pakistan. He mentioned nothing of ending the drug war or the private prison system. He mentioned nothing about poverty. All he said was middle class this, middle class that just like every other politician. He didn't talk about how he was going to confront and take on the plutocrats like Theodore Roosevelt or FDR.

He was a moderate Dem. He wasn't really different from Kerry, Gore, or Clinton in any significant ways. You were too gassed up on hope and change, bruh.

You are channeling your disappointment to and personifying it in the form of Barack Obama instead of taking a larger view and a more structural critique or institutions and society, which is a bit short-sighted. Just repeatedly saying fukk Obama as if he exists in a vacuum instead of a nation, a culture, a political structure, and an economic structure that has literally millions of moving parts isn't very helpful or productive.

Pointing out shyt he said in 2004 and before is actually a good indicator of what he really thinks in his heart of hearts before he became a politician on the big stage. So why isn't he manifesting his vision as President? Is it as simple as he is just sellout scumbag, is he stymied by institutional hindrances, or is it some of both to varying degrees?
 

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Well your original post basically says "yea he's a shyt president, but I like him because of his swag". I'm just saying that a lot of white people refuse to vote for Obama because of that same mentality. They'll vote for Romney regardless of how they actually feel about the job he's done as a politician, just because they're more comfortable with his swag vs Obama.

I know how to separate the superfluous from the important. Again, his "swag" has literally zero to do with what decision I make in the voting booth. I voted for John Kerry, who is arguably the most swagless creature to have ever existed.
 

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I know how to separate the superfluous from the important. Again, his "swag" has literally zero to do with what decision I make in the voting booth. I voted for John Kerry, who is arguably the most swagless creature to have ever existed.
Not exactly sure why you're quoting me. Which part don't you agree with? I don't know you, my comment was simply based on the thread that you decided to make. If this thread isn't indicative of how you truly think then that's on you for misrepresenting yourself.
 

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Not exactly sure why you're quoting me. Which part don't you agree with? I don't know you, my comment was simply based on the thread that you decided to make. If this thread isn't indicative of how you truly think then that's on you for misrepresenting yourself.

I didn't misrepresent myself. If people unfamiliar with my opinions from my posting history got the wrong impression, I clarified later in the thread. There's really not much more to say than that.
 
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