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[mastermind]

This is such stuff.

During the 2016 election the narrative was that Sanders's policies were well liked, but he lacked the name recognition.

By 2020 Sanders was on one of the most known politicians in America with his supporters routinely touting him being the most popular politician in America. Polls and election splits showed that he had made in roads with traditional dems from 2016 to 2020.

But at the end of the day they gambled on turning out a new base over voters to overtake the party and the gamble didn't pay off. This is all stuff we know.

Sanders Says He’ll Attract a Wave of New Voters. It Hasn’t Happened. (Published 2020)

At some point y'all are going to have to reconcile your competing views that Obama was terrible president with how much people like him to the point that he can single handedly tip the scales of democratic elections.

Which is why it was necessary for Obama to form moderate voltron?

I don’t think Bernie was gonna win, but Obama should have sat it out:

 

[get these nets]

bernie wasn't going to win a national election, it is what it is, dems wanted the best shot to win, and that meant getting the party to fall in line early

THANK YOU.

His supporters consistently avoid the truth that he is unelectable.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

why would they listen to a loser that no one likes. make it make sense.

What are you talking about? Who said no one likes Obama? Obama is a god amongst the Dem establishment and generally popular overall.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Proving my point. Bad faith.

Bernie being the answer or not is irrelevant. This is about a former president who still basically runs his party intervening in the democratic process to tip the scales for his selected presidential candidate.

Just say anti-democratic measures are only bad when Republicans do it.

If the candidates who listened to obama felt he was right, that’s not anti democratic, they chose to follow him. He didn’t bribe delegates, change rules, etc. he endorsed a candidate and an idea of bringing the party together early

 

[hashmander]

If the candidates who listened to obama felt he was right, that’s not anti democratic, they chose to follow him. He didn’t bribe delegates, change rules, etc. he endorsed a candidate and an idea of bringing the party together early

they want it both ways. obama is so terrible, but please don't endorse someone because that's putting your thumb on the scales. shouldn't the person he endorse suffer because of the association?

 

[Pressure]

Which is why it was necessary for Obama to form moderate voltron?

I don’t think Bernie was gonna win, but Obama should have sat it out:

Your counter argument is that you need the moderate vote to be split 3 ways in order for Bernie to win the nomination.

End of the day he just wasn't popular enough with voters to win.

 

[Pressure]

Bernie could have listened to Obama and won? ​

 

[hashmander]

Which is why it was necessary for Obama to form moderate voltron?

I don’t think Bernie was gonna win, but Obama should have sat it out:

why? moderate voltron implies that the moderates were spreading themselves thin but had the numbers in their favor. so letting them know they stand to send an unelectable person to the general because they would rather split the votes up is wrong?

 

[Broke Wave]

Biden’s presidency has been great actually; he’s a great man and president.

 

[mastermind]

Your counter argument is that you need the moderate vote to be split 3 ways in order for Bernie to win the nomination.

In of the day he just wasn't popular enough with voters to win.

In my post, I said I don’t think Bernie was going to win, so let’s toss the first part of your post out.

Obama should have sat out. Let the voters play it out instead of forming moderate voltron, which is what Obama did. It was unbecoming of him.

 

[Pressure]

why? moderate voltron implies that the moderates were spreading themselves thin but had the numbers in their favor. so letting them know they stand to send an unelectable person to the general because they would rather split the votes up is wrong?

It's not lost on me that these same guys making this argument also spend a lot of time decrying minority rule.

But that's probably not fair because at the end of the day they all agree that Americans would like socialism if it were forced upon them.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

If @88m3 @dora_da_destroyer and pressure: the axis of bad faith corporate apologism 1 star my thread, I know I did something right.

Throw in a little a Cac mamba and you got stew of bad faith that could only rival the wicked witch of the west

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

If the candidates who listened to obama felt he was right, that’s not anti democratic, they chose to follow him. He didn’t bribe delegates, change rules, etc. he endorsed a candidate and an idea of bringing the party together early

You don’t know what he did first of all. There could be negotiations and mutual favors, behind the scenes.

Even if not, he’s the undisputed leader of the Democratic Party politically. Everyone knows that. He’s like a god amongst that bunch of liberal Washington dorks. He made the call and the 2 “moderates” dropped out and everyone formed like Voltron, just like that. You’re acting like he’s Tom Hagan, but he’s really Vito Corleone. Buttigieg and Klobuchar know they weren’t going to win but they weren’t ready to drop out until they got the G call. You think they were going to go against the party boss on something that major knowing they still have their own political ambitions?

You might say Biden would’ve won anyway and maybe he would’ve, but the question is why do it? Why not say neutral and let small d democracy play out by the voters?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

they want it both ways. obama is so terrible, but please don't endorse someone because that's putting your thumb on the scales. shouldn't the person he endorse suffer because of the association?

Who are you even talking to? Nobody in this thread said Obama was unpopular or disliked. You’re just stumbling around yelling nonsense like a drunk.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You don’t know what he did first of all. There could be negotiations and mutual favors, behind the scenes.

Even if not, he’s the undisputed leader of the Democratic Party politically. Everyone knows that. He’s like a god amongst that bunch of liberal Washington dorks. He made the call and the 2 “moderates” dropped out and everyone formed like Voltron, just like that. You’re acting like he’s Tom Hagan, but he’s really Vito Corleone. Buttigieg and Klobuchar know they weren’t going to win but they weren’t ready to drop out until they got the G call. You think they were going to go against the party boss on something that major knowing they still have their own political ambitions?

You might say Biden would’ve won anyway and maybe he would’ve, but the question is why do it? Why not say neutral and let small d democracy play out by the voters?

Because having a long lived fight between dems creates fissures that aren’t overcome in time for the general. Keeping people divided longer than they should’ve been was not going to win the general election - quite frankly the Dems are lucky coronavirus hit as it took quite a few events to allow Biden to win.

Lastly, former presidents have given their endorsement to various candidates time and time again, it’s amazing how all of a suddenly this is anti democratic and an issue.

breh, have fun living in 2016 and 2020, we have so many problems facing us in government, I don’t care for the intraparty war when republicans are out here obstructing justice and reversing progress. Most Dems have moved on, I certainly have.

and for good measure - fukk Bernie