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[Dusty Bake Activate]

Dude all you have to do is Google this.

Rates grew for black people because they took the worse of the recession. Once it was over they dropped to below levels.

The black unemployment rate was 12.7% on January 2009. At its peak, the rate went up to 16.5% in 2011. On December 2017 the rate was down to 6.7%. I give Presidents a year after their term ends in regards to credit for economy for several reasons. If you want to be technical, the unemployment rate was 7.5% at the end of January 2017.

The black poverty rate was 25.8% in 2009. It rose to 27.2% in 2012 and 2013. At the end of 2017 it was 21.2%.

The median income for black people was $39,407 in 2009. The mean income was $55,688. The median income went down to $37,173 in 2011 and the mean went down to $ 53,918 in 2012. At the end of 2017 the median income was $42,511. The mean was $61,872.

This is so dumb. If you start measuring from the point he got into office to when he left, of course there will be better numbers because there was nowhere to go but up. He entered office at the valley of the Great Recession when he country was losing 750k jobs a months.

That’s a disingenuous framing. The bottom line is the baseline normal standard of living conditions and wealth for Black people did not improve during the Obama era. The new normal was worst than the old normal after the recession and it was directly due to Obama telling Black homeowners to eat shyt.

The Obama presidency was a disaster for middle-class wealth in the United States. Between 2007 and 2016, the average wealth of the bottom 99 percent dropped by $4,500. Over the same period, the average wealth of the top 1 percent rose by $4.9 million.

This drop hit the housing wealth of African Americans particularly hard. Outside of home equity, black wealth recovered its 2007 level by 2016. But average black home equity was still $16,700 lower.

Keep drinking Flint water.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I’ll ask this to you since the others wouldn’t answer. What is preventing people from bettering their situation in 2022?

I don’t know bruh. Why don’t you go to the impoverished and working class urban, rural, and suburban communities of America and ask them why they are dependent on government and lack personal responsibility?

 

[Outlaw]

I don’t know bruh. Why don’t you go to the impoverished and working class urban, rural, and suburban communities of America and ask them why they are dependent on government and lack personal responsibility?

Do you not have an answer?

 

[No1]

I’ll ask this to you since the others wouldn’t answer. What is preventing people from bettering their situation in 2022?

There isn’t a hard black line barrier, but the average person will do what most people in a situation will do. So if you have to be excellent to get to where others get to by being average then that’s not a meritocracy. I had to get a scholarship to go to college, others could have someone pay, etc. It’s a combination of economic and social pressures. Anyone can succeed but the odds are what they are for a reason. You cannot have a meritocracy when resources are so unevenly distributed.

 

[Outlaw]

There isn’t a hard barrier, but the average person will do what most people in a situation will do. So if you have to be excellent to get to where others get to by being average then that’s not a meritocracy. I had to get a scholarship to go to college, others could have someone pay, etc. It’s a combination of economic and social pressures. Anyone can succeed but the odds are what they are for a reason. You cannot have a meritocracy when resources are so unevenly distributed.

So you’re saying that currently, anyone on average can better their lives but the difficulty is too high and the average person doesn’t want to put the work necessary to better said lives?

I agree in a way that’s why I think higher education should be free and lower education in improvised areas should be improved which would even the playing field

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Do you not have an answer?

I gave you an answer. Direct your questions to the people you accuse of being government-dependent and lacking personal responsibility.

You sound like you should’ve voted for Romney over Obama.

 

[Worthless Loser]

This is so dumb. If you start measuring from the point he got into office to when he left, of course there will be better numbers because there was nowhere to go but up. He entered office at the valley of the Great Recession when he country was losing 750k jobs a months.

That’s a disingenuous framing. The bottom line is the baseline normal standard of living conditions and wealth for Black people did not improve during the Obama era. The new normal was worst than the old normal after the recession and it was directly due to Obama telling Black homeowners to eat shyt.




Keep drinking Flint water.

So your efforts to discredit what's clearly a success is that because the economy is previously bad, there is no where to go but up so essentially John McCain would have had the same numbers.

Yet, in numbers where black statistics were not favorable, its Obama's fault. Listen to how you sound.

If you want to talk income inequality and homeownership inequality, then talk about it. Income inequality increases have been happening for several decades. Therefore it will take a very long time to fix.

States who don't have laws should pass and enforce fair laws. More homestead programs should be adopted in different states for people struggling to make it. Banks should be further pressured and discouraged from discriminating against Black people when it comes to loans. (Which the DOJ were suing banks for)

This Bernie shyt got you over the edge.

 

[No1]

So you’re saying that currently, anyone on average can better their lives but the difficulty is too high and the average person doesn’t want to put the work necessary to better said lives?

I agree in a way that’s why I think higher education should be free and lower education in improvised areas should be improved which would even the playing field

I didn’t say they don’t want to, I’m saying that most people just don’t have it in them to overcome all that. The most successful people in society generally had the least amount of things to overcome from a pure survival standpoint. That’s not by accident. There are way more Zuckerburgs than Jay Zs. The latter is essentially an alien with the rarest of skill sets.

 

[Outlaw]

I didn’t say they don’t want to, I’m saying that most people just don’t have it in them to overcome all that. The most successful people in society generally had the least amount of things to overcome from a pure survival standpoint. That’s not by accident. There are way more Zuckerburgs than Jay Zs. The latter is essentially an alien with the rarest of skill sets.

I fundamentally disagree with that. I believe in human potential and the only thing lacking in those who don’t improve their situation is A) Lack of resources(education, familial support, etc)

- I think it’s the governments job to come in and support its children in ways that can overcome familial failings and one of those ways is to provide free quality education.

B) lack of desire and there is nothing you can do for someone has no desire to improve their situation or who are content in where they are in life.

- I am against punishing successful people who grinded hard in life and give their wealth to people who have no desire to improve their situation


I’m not familiar with zuckerberg’s upbringing but he succeeded because he had the knowledge of how to design a website not because he was born rich.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I’m probably center left. In a perfect world I think society should be a meritocracy where everyone starts on a even playing field

You are nowhere near center left. The ideology you espoused in this thread is pure staunch right wing conservatism. You’re in the wrong party.

 

[Lord Beasley]

mods.....this is a TLR thread

 

[Outlaw]

You are nowhere near center left. The ideology you espoused in this thread is pure staunch right wing conservatism. You’re in the wrong party.

If my politics were right wing America would be better off but sadly that isn’t the case. You seem to have a very narrow black and white worldview. You’d be better off in learning different perspectives before demonizing people who think differently you.


Spoiler alert both collectivism and individualism have their flaws. The “best” way for society to function is probably a blend of both philosophies

 

[mastermind]

Dude all you have to do is Google this.

Rates grew for black people because they took the worse of the recession. Once it was over they dropped to below levels.

The black unemployment rate was 12.7% on January 2009. At its peak, the rate went up to 16.5% in 2011. On December 2017 the rate was down to 6.7%. I give Presidents a year after their term ends in regards to credit for economy for several reasons. If you want to be technical, the unemployment rate was 7.5% at the end of January 2017.

The black poverty rate was 25.8% in 2009. It rose to 27.2% in 2012 and 2013. At the end of 2017 it was 21.2%.

The median income for black people was $39,407 in 2009. The mean income was $55,688. The median income went down to $37,173 in 2011 and the mean went down to $ 53,918 in 2012. At the end of 2017 the median income was $42,511. The mean was $61,872.

You typed all of this when the article says BLACK WEALTH.

 

[No1]

I fundamentally disagree with that. I believe in human potential and the only thing lacking in those who don’t improve their situation is A) Lack of resources(education, familial support, etc)

- I think it’s the governments job to come in and support its children in ways that can overcome familial failings and one of those ways is to provide free quality education.

B) lack of desire and there is nothing you can do for someone has no desire to improve their situation or who are content in where they are in life.

- I am against punishing successful people who grinded hard in life and give their wealth to people who have no desire to improve their situation


I’m not familiar with zuckerberg’s upbringing but he succeeded because he had the knowledge of how to design a website not because he was born rich.

Zuckerburg dropped out of Harvard without a care in the world. Someone from a lower class background is never taking that risk. Everyone in her industry knows that. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you acknowledge all these barriers but then try to lean on personal responsibility. We don’t make policy based on the best of us and the most talented, we make it based on a baseline of the average human being - or should. It’s like you’re well aware of the inequality but you’re afraid of fully embracing it because it contradicts the meritocracy that you’ve convinced yourself to believe in. You’re suffering from cognitive dissonance. Why is it that people from low performing school districts have higher graduation rates at better schools? Did they suddenly develop a work ethic? Use your brain. It’s the resources available and the expectations and an entirely different worst case scenario.

 

[Outlaw]

Zuckerburg dropped out of Harvard without a care in the world. Someone from a lower class background is never taking that risk. Everyone in her industry knows that. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth. On one hand you acknowledge all these barriers but then try to lean on personal responsibility. We don’t make policy based on the best of us and the most talented, we make it based on a baseline of the average human being - or should. It’s like you’re well aware of the inequality but you’re afraid of fully embracing it because it contradicts the meritocracy that you’ve convinced yourself to believe in. You’re suffering from cognitive dissonance.

You’re completely mischaracterizing my post.

I believe that if the average human had better education they would improve their situation.

my solution is improving education and access to education

I never said society as currently structured is good enough but carry on putting words in my mouth and using buzz words.