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[Dusty Bake Activate]

Sounds like projection. I ask you to explain your assertions and you fall back to saying insults to avoid justifying your position. We’ll agree to disagree

Reagan supported free education and free healthcare (Medicaid/Medicare/VA). He also derided the government giving free money to people who lack personal responsibility causing government dependency, as you did for several posts in this thread. You’re a right winger ideologically.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

The majority of black wealth was wiped out before he even took office

ovama is responsible for individuals losing their jobs or something

 

[Pressure]

ovama is responsible for individuals losing their jobs or something

It's almost reading like, "The subprime mortgage crisis was a good thing because we could have made all the banks fails and wipe out everyone's debt."

Make it make sense

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

It's almost reading like, "The subprime mortgage crisis was a good thing because we could have made all the banks fails and wipe out everyone's debt."

Make it make sense

red button meme in full effect

 

[Outlaw]

Reagan supported free education and free healthcare (Medicaid/Medicare/VA). He also derided the government giving free money to people who lack personal responsibility causing government dependency, as you did for several posts in this thread. You’re a right winger ideologically.

Reagan was against public education and attacked it while he was the governor of California. In what way did Reagan advocate for free higher education?

Reagan was also against “socialized medicine” so how was he for government provided healthcare?

 

[88m3]

Reagan supported free education and free healthcare (Medicaid/Medicare/VA). He also derided the government giving free money to people who lack personal responsibility causing government dependency, as you did for several posts in this thread. You’re a right winger ideologically.

come get your boy @Godless Liberal CEO

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Reagan was against public education and attacked it while he was the governor of California. In what way did Reagan advocate for free higher education?

Reagan was also against “socialized medicine” so how was he for government provided healthcare?

Yeah so let’s unpack this. Your criteria for why you can’t be a right winger is…

-you support free healthcare

-you support free education

Ronald Reagan was for universal health coverage as Governor of Cali. He opposed “socialized medicine,” but supported universal coverage through a system of mandates and tax credits… Obamacare basically.

Reagan in 1964:

“No one in this country should be denied medical care for lack of funds.” In a speech to the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce — in Goldwater’s backyard — Reagan said, “Any person in the United States who requires medical attention and cannot provide for himself should have it provided for him.”

As President, he never tried to eliminate Medicare or Medicaid.

W. Bush passed Medicare part D and S-schip expansions to public healthcare.

As far as free education, Ronald Reagan supported free education just like every other president, what are you talking about lol? He slashed funding for public education. He didn’t try to abolish public education.

So in short, “I support free healthcare and free education” doesn’t make you a leftist or even a moderate. Everybody to the left of Ron Paul supports those things. And you think giving people “free stuff” leads to government dependency and loss of personal responsibility. Hi Mitt Romney.

 

[Outlaw]

Yeah so let’s unpack this. Your criteria for why you can’t be a right winger is…

-you support free healthcare

-you support free education

Ronald Reagan was for universal health coverage as Governor of Cali. He opposed “socialized medicine,” but supported universal coverage through a system of mandates and tax credits… Obamacare basically.

Reagan in 1964:

“No one in this country should be denied medical care for lack of funds.” In a speech to the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce — in Goldwater’s backyard — Reagan said, “Any person in the United States who requires medical attention and cannot provide for himself should have it provided for him.”

As President, he never tried to eliminate Medicare or Medicaid.

W. Bush passed Medicare part D and S-schip expansions to public healthcare.

As far as free education, Ronald Reagan supported free education just like every other president, what are you talking about lol? He slashed funding for public education. He didn’t try to abolish public education.

So in short, “I support free healthcare and free education” doesn’t make you a leftist or even a moderate. Everybody to the left of Ron Paul supports those things. And you think giving people “free stuff” leads to government dependency and loss of personal responsibility. Hi Mitt Romney.

I have said multiple times the government should run healthcare and should subsidize higher education so that it grants free access, neither are right wing positions.

Reagan was against government ran healthcare.

Reagan slashed funding towards public education and tried to abolish the department of education when president which is completely antithetical to what I’m for.

You’re pulling shyt out of your ass at this point

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I have said multiple times the government should run healthcare and should subsidize higher education so that it grants free access, neither are right wing positions.

Reagan was against government ran healthcare.

Reagan slashed funding towards public education and tried to abolish the department of education when president which is completely antithetical to what I’m for.

You’re pulling shyt out of your ass at this point

Government should “run” healthcare? Does that mean you a support single payer system? Specifics are important. Saying you support “free healthcare” in itself is saying nothing because everybody supports some form of “free healthcare” including Reagan, Nixon, Trump and both Bushes. If you support a single payer system (if you even know what that means) I’d agree that’s a left wing position, as is free public higher education…although that is contradictory to your earlier rants about how giving people “free stuff” causes government dependency, and you don’t support politicians who support single payer so go figure. College and healthcare is “free stuff,” but whatever.

 

[Outlaw]

Government should “run” healthcare? Does that mean you a support single payer system? Specifics are important. Saying you support “free healthcare” in itself is saying nothing because everybody supports some form of “free healthcare” including Reagan, Nixon, Trump and both Bushes. If you support a single payer system (if you even know what that means) I’d agree that’s a left wing position, as is free public higher education…although that is contradictory to your earlier rants about how giving people “free stuff” causes government dependency, and you don’t support politicians who support single payer so go figure. College and healthcare is “free stuff,” but whatever.

Yes I support a single payer system

It’s not contradictory, I said free money not free stuff. You have a bad habit of distorting peoples words to fit your narrative.

For example, I’m against long term unemployment payments for people who quit their jobs for no extraordinary reason, that to me is free money.

Providing free higher education is an investment in societal wellbeing which will pay dividends, that is something “free” that I support.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

It’s not contradictory, I said free money not free stuff. You have a bad habit of distorting peoples words to fit your narrative.

For example, I’m against long term unemployment payments for people who quit their jobs for no extraordinary reason, that to me is free money.

Providing free higher education is an investment in societal wellbeing which will pay dividends, that is something “free” that I support.

So what are all these “free money” policies that are creating government dependence that you oppose, or did you just make a whole strawman using 80’s Reaganite talking points?

Also, if its your stern belief that nobody in America as-is has any valid reason to not succeed then what do we need to spend billions on healthcare and education for? According to you, everybody can live their American dream now and has no excuse not to live good.

 

[Outlaw]

So what are all these “free money” policies that are creating government dependence that you oppose, or did you just make a whole strawman using 80’s Reaganite talking points?

Also, if its your stern belief that nobody in America as-is has any valid reason to not succeed then what do we need to spend billions on healthcare and education for? According to you, everybody can live their American dream now and has no excuse not to live good.

I never said I would necessarily be for cutting any existing benefits. I said I would be against creating additional free money programs like for example extended unemployment benefits for those who quit their jobs for no good reason, I’m sure you can figure out how that would create dependency to the government.

I also never said America was perfect as is. My assumption is that education is the number one factor to why someone can’t escape poverty.

I think if the government invested more into providing free higher education and quality of education in impoverished areas, we would see a drastic decline in crime and poverty in future generations.

I personally think it’s morally wrong for healthcare to be a for-profit business/industry for a multitude of reasons and because of that I think healthcare should be ran by the government

 

[hashmander]

shyt reagan got famous politically because of his anti-medicare stance. before that he was just the gipper. people would have listening parties for his pre-recorded messages. WTF.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I never said I would necessarily be for cutting any existing benefits. I said I would be against creating additional free money programs like for example extended unemployment benefits for those who quit their jobs for no good reason, I’m sure you can figure out how that would create dependency to the government.

Ok, but your hypothetical about unemployment doesn’t even exist so what are you even talking about then with this “government dependency” and “personal responsibility stuff?” You’re just arguing against hypothetical strawmen?

I also never said America was perfect as is. My assumption is that education is the number one factor to why someone can’t escape poverty.

I think if the government invested more into providing free higher education and quality of education in impoverished areas, we would see a drastic decline in crime and poverty in future generations.

You’re contradicting yourself. You spent several posts trying to grill me and others to provide you a valid explanation as to why anybody has any reason to not succeed in America, now you’re saying you want to spend billions to improve education and that will drastically reduce poverty. Why do we need to drastically reduce poverty if no one has any excuse to be in poverty? Why don’t these people just take personal responsibility and stop depending on government.

I personally think it’s morally wrong for healthcare to be a for-profit business/industry for a multitude of reasons and because of that I think healthcare should be ran by the government

Well we disagree because I think healthcare should be ran by doctors and insured by the government (that’s what single payer is).

 

[88m3]

shyt reagan got famous politically because of his anti-medicare stance. before that he was just the gipper. people would have listening parties for his pre-recorded messages. WTF.

a lot of air punching going on in here but I'm here for it