*Briahna Joy Gray* looking mad grifterish
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We agree here.
But we're almost leading from the rear if we allow Republicans to set the tone then attempt to parse their absurdity with nuance. Particularly when they have no interest in any nuance and just merely astroturf any topic and look for gotchas. To be fair, the modern media is complicit here.
I believe the thread @Rhakim made was a little better. Basically just talking about what replacement there is without doing so in a way where the user just sees someone say it's worth investigating in the lede based on what Tucker Carlson says. Which unfortunately sends them to Tucker first and they may never come back for a nuanced discussion because they like what they hear.
Strangely that's almost the story of the Buffalo shooter who radicialized himself.
I dunno, maybe we should just say, "Replacement theory just isn't true. Allow me to explain."
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I don't disagree with that, but this is basically what the Dems have done for 45 years, including saying "we will eventually win because we have the demographic trends on our side." In the video, she pointed out that Hispanics are actually voting Republican more than Dems. That was also a heavy crux of the video.
The funny thing about focusing on "Replacement Theory" is we are ignoring that a troubled kid was able to access an assault weapon. How? Why? Oh yeah, gun control, that's actually settled law now.
The video didn't mention that, but that's something I've noticed since the shooting.
I think we can all agree that Dem Strategy has left much to be desired. Outside of the brief two years under Obama, most of what they've been viewed as is the party of harm reduction.
The conversation around gun control is lacking. Especially when even the right concedes that he was mentally ill.
The sad truth is many of these mass shooting wouldn't have happened if law enforcement actually enforced the laws on the books and judges didn't overrule them in the few times they tried because they're gun nuts themselves.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/09/are-millennial-leftists-aging-into-right-wingers/
Opinion | Are millennial leftists aging into right-wingers?
J.J. McCullough
Supporters at a Donald Trump rally in Bemidji, Minn., on Sept. 18, 2020. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
I was listening to a podcast the other day featuring two hard-left Americans in their late 30s. I won’t name names, but you know the type — socialist intellectuals who use terms like “dissident” to describe themselves.
The conversation mainly centered around a few themes:
1. The kids today are too self-righteous and judgmental.
2. The Democratic Party is corrupt and uninspiring.
3. Donald Trump wasn’t nearly as bad as everyone said.
4. I miss the good old days.
It came off as a portrait of the millennial generation midlife crisis-ing its way into voting Republican.
Many millennials (of which I am one) are now entering their 40s. It’s a firmly adult phase of life that tends to correlate with a recalibration of priorities, expectations and resentments. A substantial migration of millennial voters from left to right — including a significant chunk of those who might appear the unlikeliest of converts — will surely be one consequence.
Every generation of American progressive has seen it happen. Ronald Reagan created “Reagan Democrats” from aging members of the war generation who supported Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy but grew disillusioned with statism. One faction of boomer leftists aged into neoconservatives as they became more anxious about the Cold War; another made peace with neoliberal economics once they left college and got good jobs in the prosperous 1980s and ’90s.
Spend any time listening to left-wing millennials on their vast archipelago of blogs, podcasts, YouTube channels and Twitch streams and you’ll hear hints of the terms on which this generation’s shift will unfold; their growing distaste for their own political tribe seems as much a product of cultural alienation as anything.
Many millennial leftists say it openly: They’re apathetic about “social issues.” It’s the economic stuff that really concerns them — and certainly there are plenty of metrics that can be cited to argue millennials face generationally unique economic hardships. But if engagement with this reality rarely rises above a rote denunciation of the capitalist system itself — the continuation of which isn’t exactly an active debate in U.S. politics — then economic malaise probably isn’t going to dictate many votes one way or another.
Unless, that is, apathy toward social issues is seen as a form of economic justice unto itself.
America’s biggest brands have received a lot of fire from the millennial left in recent years for ostentatious virtue signaling — rainbow Oreos, Black Lives Matter shirts at Walmart, that sort of thing. There is rage at this imagined disingenuousness; corporate America is assumed to be full of a bunch of greedy hypocrites who don’t believe in the causes they’re exploiting to pitch products. Yet at some point this anger becomes indistinguishable from purely aesthetic distaste — instinctive revulsion at a new highly visible evolution in the culture that finds common cause with a populist right equally contemptuous of “woke capital” and the liberal politicians they finance.
Further overlap comes from a shared perception that the social causes of today simply aren’t worth much. Just as some boomers felt their progressive views on civil rights and feminism justified indifference — or hostility — to the gay rights movement that came later, aging millennials who feel they’ve proved themselves supportive of gay rights may find prissy and frivolous the younger generation’s insistence on things such as pronoun introductions and perfectly race- and gender-balanced workplaces. Layer on that most disorienting anxiety of middle-age — not knowing what’s offensive anymore — and you have a generation primed to be at least a little reactionary-curious.
However, a shared loathing of the liberal establishment is probably the right’s most convincing case for leftist conversion.
In the days of Reagan, or even Newt Gingrich, conservative politics was philosophical and policy-driven. Theoretically at least, voters either supported the “Contract with America” or didn’t. Today, however, the Republican Party has abandoned the idea of even offering a platform: You either hate the cringey, crooked lying libs or you don’t. A left that already enjoys dwelling on the misdeeds of the Democratic elite — “denying” Bernie Sanders the presidency and so on — is an open door for conservatives to push. In time, Democrats devolve in the millennial leftist imagination from being “no better” to objectively worse; the GOP rises from “making some good points” to being actively necessary.
Fueled in part by anti-liberal animus, Sanders-to-Trump voters were a well-documented phenomenon that helped Republicans retake the White House in 2016. Many of those voters never came back, and the Sanders coalition became smaller and more ideological in 2020. Yet the Sanders-to-Trump migration continued, with some polls taken before the 2020 vote suggesting the number of converts could be as high as 15 percent. Doubtless this played a role in Trump increasing his share of the millennial vote by 8 percent.
Fast-forward a decade or two and imagine millennials in their 50s and 60s. Do you suppose we’ll find a crop of seniors still interested in being on the bleeding edge of left-wing politics? Or a generation that’s simply settled into a kind of conservatism they would have recognized in their parents and grandparents — a conservatism born from confidence that they did their part when it mattered, but what the nation needs now is a strong Republican government capable of keeping a new, illegitimate progressive movement from ruining the nation with its immature nonsense?
The second scenario strikes me as a matter of “when,” not “if” — and the “when” is already underway.
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Indeed
My only point is the video does say what people in this thread are claiming. Not even close, but I blame the terrible title.
And you can all read this thread, I don’t particularly care for shorty either.
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Yeah, nah...idgaf about most of that ish. It's red meat for centrists that claim leftism I'm sure but whatever.
My problem is dishonest the rhetorical games she plays throughout these clips.
She's using rhetorical flourishes to pump in implications that either side can take comfort in. "The liberals can't articulate Tucker's racist dogwhistles which he never explicitly states..." She never commits to him being racist or not. She plays clips that imply his cism, but then acts like liberals can't explain why it's racist. As if they haven't pounded his Great Replacement rhetoric so hard that a NYT article calculated how much airtime he's given it.
She gets even worse later on with the "Republicans are the more vocal anti-interventionists right now" and sells that point using Marjorie Taylor Greene has outflanked the Squad on the absurdity of giving aid to Ukraine while there's a baby formula shortage.
That's foul because Republicans are only anti-Ukraine intervention and it's just playing to their conspiracy theorist wing's Hunter Biden obsession. They flipped out about Afghanistan, and they're still psychotic about the Middle East
GOP senators fight to preserve Biden’s war powers amid tensions with Iran
Meanwhile MTG literally voted against funding to get Baby Formula to mothers that need it, one of only 9 a$$holes to vote against it (and the list is a who's who of the worst Republicans). But Bri's not worried about actions in Congress here. She's completely focused on the rhetoric. She's lawyering...very careful with her word choice and tailoring it so that people can take away what they'd like. She gives enough cover to herself to claim a leftist view, but she's absolutely using the sort of cautious language that would help avoid pissing off conservatives. A Tim Pool fan can watch that clip and love it.
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Latinos aren't actually voting for Republicans more than Dems...they're just dropping in approval of Biden. That doesn't mean they swing to Republican votes which the Hill itself pointed out like a month ago. Inability to protect voting rights and a lack of enthusiasm for Biden (which is across the board though Latinos have dipped further) are concerns. But the idea that Latinos have swung Republican is simply not true.
Polls spell trouble for Biden with Hispanic voters | The Hill
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mastermind
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The point is Tucker dog whistles all the time. She doesn’t say Tucker isn’t racist but that he doesn’t say it. The Citations Needed episode does a better job of explaining it than she does, but Tucker never says no to races of people or is a proponent of violence, he just tiptoes on the line by saying “Americans don’t want that,” knowing his followers and viewers are mostly whites.
It’s like those jackass kids who were mocking native Americans a few years ago in DC at that rally. They never do or say anything fukked up, which is largely why they won their slander lawsuits, but you know what they doing is fukked up.
That’s why he always says, “why are they calling me racists?”and plays the victim.
The MTG statement was nonsensical and why I don’t fukk with her. I know the point she making, but it’s stupid.
I wasn’t clear in my statement. She said 1/3 of Hispanic voters still support Trump, and after the first generation they tend to swing.
(Starting at 9:30)
We don’t know where Hispanic voters are swinging and too be honest, it just depends on the group and the location.
this bytch here bruh
We gotta stop giving her room. She thinks she's outsmarting everyone when she clearly just has more faith in white people than they don't deserve and clearly aren't asking for. She thinks she's the special bridge of populism and thinks racism is less of a problem than it is. Irami literally exposed her yet again today on her own goddamn podcast.
She's fukkin GONE
progressives are even pushing back against this little eruption of hers
storyteller
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My problem is that the only difference in the case she made about Tucker's dog whistles and what any other liberal would say is that she didn't explicitly call it racism and that she implied that Latin voters are starting to move over to the Republicans which I'll say again is plain false. The concerns with that base come down to voter disenfranchisement, lack of enthusiasm, and mid-term election incumbent party syndrome...that's where the concerns from experts are strongest, and those factors relate to all voting blocs.
I think the reason Citations Needed was MUCH better at addressing Tucker (and Majority Report as well in their segment), is that they pulled no punches and made it explicit. They didn't leave room for conservative cognitive bias that Bri did. Bri didn't offend conservatives with her approach, sure. But I don't think they're taking the right message from what she put out there and i'd point to the commentary from the other two panel conservatives as an example of how she just fed conservative cognitive biases.
My question is, who exactly is this discussion point even supposed to appeal to? Republicans have a reliable 30% of the Latin vote...that's not a good thing for them. It's not "they tend to swing," it's that they trend more socially conservative, but they’re voting pattern has been consistent. The numbers are very clear here. 70/30 to 60/40 is the general range and that’s always to Dems’ advantage (not counting small pockets of specific voters like Cubans in FL). That swing effect doesn't show up in the electoral polling even as recently as that Hill article I quoted out from a month ago. "Latinos voters are ripe for the picking" according to her, because the Dems take those voters for granted.
What she leaves out is that Republican electoral strategies don't actually reflect any attempt to grow their Latin voter base. They're actively suppressing that bloc of voters (same as they are doing to black voters). For any shortcomings of the Dems toward Latin (and all immigrant populations really), the Republicans are actually pushing worse and more damaging policies at those communities.
So it feels like such a ridiculous concept to push forward. Will Latino voter swing to the Republicans if everything stays the way it is? I don't think so. It hasn't happened before and the Bush family was far more receptive toward Spanish-speaking and immigrant populations than any current GOP members (that's not really a compliment btw but it's true).
So she’s pumped out a handful of claims. The ones that mirror liberal views are factual, the rest are speculative and dubious with no real value to anyone but a conservative that somehow has missed all of the bigotry hiding in plain sight which Liberals, Progressives, and even some centrists have comfortably called racism for a long time. I don’t think describing it without saying the “R” word is gonna change anyone’s views. The Lincoln Project does a better job calling out Republicans than this crap...and I think they're mediocre grifters.