Brexit Is Teaching Britain A Lesson In Humility; Boris Johnson finalizes EU Exit Deal!

[FAH1223]

Fake news from Jeremy. A vote that doesnt include remain as an option His position remains the same (so far)

If you were in his position, you would go all out for 2nd referendum?

What about the gains they made in 2017 and Labour seats that voted leave in 2016?

 

[thatrapsfan]

If you were in his position, you would go all out for 2nd referendum?

What about the gains they made in 2017 and Labour seats that voted leave in 2016?

If he refuses to go all in for a 2nd referendum, he should go all in on a credible soft Brexit alternative like a Norway-style deal.

He's proposing no real alternative, while trying to bid time for a general election that a) may not happen b) he may lose anyway, while the country goes to shyt.

 

[88m3]

Fake news from Jeremy. A vote that doesnt include remain as an option His position remains the same (so far)

He honestly needs to resign

 

[FAH1223]

If he refuses to go all in for a 2nd referendum, he should go all in on a credible soft Brexit alternative like a Norway-style deal.

He's proposing no real alternative, while trying to bid time for a general election that a) may not happen b) he may lose anyway, while the country goes to shyt.

Their first option basically = EFTA + EEA type relationship, plus a Customs Union.

He honestly needs to resign

He won't resign. He won leadership vote twice by big margins and Labour had a great showing in 2017 for being down 20 points in polls and stunning Theresa May into an own-goal for calling that snap election.

 

[88m3]

He won't resign. He won leadership vote twice by big margins and Labour had a great showing in 2017 for being down 20 points in polls and stunning Theresa May into an own-goal for calling that snap election.

He isn't representing the will of the people he represents. That point is moot.

 

[FAH1223]

He isn't representing the will of the people he represents. That point is moot.

Labour Party made their Brexit position in conference. He can't unilaterally declare things. 80+ Labour seats are strong Brexit areas.

 

[88m3]

Labour Party made their Brexit position in conference. He can't unilaterally declare things. 80+ Labour seats are strong Brexit areas.

Okay so half maybe more than half of the country now don't have a political party or leader that supports their wishes....

You're really trying to justify that?

 

[FAH1223]

Okay so half maybe more than half of the country now don't have a political party or leader that supports their wishes....

You're really trying to justify that?

I'm merely trying to understand and point out their rationale.

If you were the leader of the opposition and you had 80 seats that voted for Brexit, many of those seats you won in 2017 due to the Tories being terrible, how do you keep your party in the position its in + set them up for a win in 2022 or whenever the next general election is?

I think a soft Brexit ala the Norway strategy is the best plan for the UK at this juncture.

 

[BillBanneker]

I'm merely trying to understand and point out their rationale.

If you were the leader of the opposition and you had 80 seats that voted for Brexit, many of those seats you won in 2017 due to the Tories being terrible, how do you keep your party in the position its in + set them up for a win in 2022 or whenever the next general election is?

I think a soft Brexit ala the Norway strategy is the best plan for the UK at this juncture.

Interesting, I never knew (or just my ignorance to uk politics) brexit had such strong support in labour party. UK fukkery is on par with usa

Okay so half maybe more than half of the country now don't have a political party or leader that supports their wishes....

Sounds like they fukked themselves

 

[Duppy]

I'm merely trying to understand and point out their rationale.

If you were the leader of the opposition and you had 80 seats that voted for Brexit, many of those seats you won in 2017 due to the Tories being terrible, how do you keep your party in the position its in + set them up for a win in 2022 or whenever the next general election is?

I think a soft Brexit ala the Norway strategy is the best plan for the UK at this juncture.

Norway’s Bad Deal

Debateable if it'll be good in the long run for Labour's ambitions, this article sheds a bit of light on it from a Norwegian writer

Okay so half maybe more than half of the country now don't have a political party or leader that supports their wishes....

You're really trying to justify that?

7/10 Tory constituencies and 6/10 Labour constituencies ended up voting majority Leave (correct me if I'm wrong), going full remain would be a trash strategy and anyone suggesting Labour do so is itching for Labour to fail

 

[88m3]

Norway’s Bad Deal

Debateable if it'll be good in the long run for Labour's ambitions, this article sheds a bit of light on it from a Norwegian writer.

7/10 Tory constituencies and 6/10 Labour constituencies ended up voting majority Leave (correct me if I'm wrong), going full remain would be a trash strategy and anyone suggesting Labour do so is itching for Labour to fail

Don't have time to look that up. That's fine but the raw numbers do matter. There should be another referendum. I don't think anyone signed up for no deal Brexit.

 

[thatrapsfan]

I'm merely trying to understand and point out their rationale.

If you were the leader of the opposition and you had 80 seats that voted for Brexit, many of those seats you won in 2017 due to the Tories being terrible, how do you keep your party in the position its in + set them up for a win in 2022 or whenever the next general election is?

I think a soft Brexit ala the Norway strategy is the best plan for the UK at this juncture.

Youre framing this as though Corbyn is killing it in the polls. The UK is in the midst of their greatest political crisis in over half a century and hes running in a dead-heat with May. Is simply keeping course really such a winning strategy?

As it stands, his counter-proposal suggests he will be able to negotiate a more favourable deal if given a chance. Seems as unlikely as anything May is proposing. All this, while in real time it appears a general election is a non-starter, and May has run out of ideas

Also vast majority of Labour membership favours a People's Vote - the membership reigns supreme for Corbyn when it comes to a review of his leadership, but not his policy it seems

 

[Trajan]

If he refuses to go all in for a 2nd referendum, he should go all in on a credible soft Brexit alternative like a Norway-style deal.

He's proposing no real alternative, while trying to bid time for a general election that a) may not happen b) he may lose anyway, while the country goes to shyt.

Breh it's an unbelievable mess

The FT did a nice summary of the shyt show

Subscribe to read | Financial Times

 

[Duppy]

People's Vote huh? Corbyn needs to go ALL OUT for that People's Vote huh?

These liberal hacks attacking Corbyn know exactly what they're doing, and the only reason they scream so loudly about is because they know they're done after they outed themselves with the dealings of the coalition government , and their complete complacency to all of it.



This too to the crowd doubting Corbyn in elections, who do you reckon would be better for it? Maybe you need to refresh your memories by reading up on the pathetic coup attempt in 2016 to see where the party membership stands

 

[thatrapsfan]

People's Vote huh? Corbyn needs to go ALL OUT for that People's Vote huh?

These liberal hacks attacking Corbyn know exactly what they're doing, and the only reason they scream so loudly about is because they know they're done after they outed themselves with the dealings of the coalition government , and their complete complacency to all of it.



This too to the crowd doubting Corbyn in elections, who do you reckon would be better for it? Maybe you need to refresh your memories by reading up on the pathetic coup attempt in 2016 to see where the party membership stands

So why does Corbyn favour a general election then? Its polling as poorly, in a straightforward approve/disapprove poll?

and why arent you addressing how another referendum polls among Labour members, if where they stand reigns supreme? Most Labour members believe Corbyn should back second Brexit vote