Bret Hart ALWAYS Whining About Something

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I didn't say that's what flipped things upside down. I said he was the one who got in McMahon's ear and finally convinced him to go all out attitude era. It was in his book and his DVD, which the WWE produced and could've easily been edited if they wanted to.

Michaels was a druggie and getting beat up in bars. He wasnt innovating shyt. He didnt even want to come to work.
 

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IDK why some of you even bother to argue with the known foolish posters in #TSC . Just be spouting off random ass lies to try & justify their point
 

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No it wasn't. Bret brought up HBK's parents in a negative light in media interviews which is what really got the ball rolling.

The "Sunny Days" thing was an ultra-cryptic comment that maybe 1% of the audience understood, and by that point it was already too late

What, the whole "What kind of parents would raise their son..." bit? Still dealt with Shawn Michael's character.

Michaels was a druggie and getting beat up in bars. He wasnt innovating shyt. He didnt even want to come to work.

First half he was MIA, and the Mania 13 avoidance was fukkery, but the second half of 97 was some of his best stuff. Early DX and his feud with Taker/Bret was dynamite.
 

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What, the whole "What kind of parents would raise their son..." bit? Still dealt with Shawn Michael's character.

No. The parents weren't characters in the Stu/Helen Hart vein. Bret crossed the line and he knew it, trying to apologize afterwards. You can keep making excuses but I'm telling you that's when the real "beef" started. "Sunny Days" was a harsh receipt.
 

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Vince and HBK were able to do all of that shyt because they were going against Bret.

Austin was made at the WM where he fought Bret and the double switch happened.

Bret Hart getting turned on by the fans and uniting with his family against the harshening climate of the E contributed to the beginning of the Attitude Era :beli:

Bret keeping all of the shyt real, complaining about fans having no love for him or genuine good guys anymore and siding with SCSA like Snoop at the Source Awards was part of the work shoot that began the era. :beli:

Without Bret getting screwed over who knows how long before Mr McMahon became the biggest heel in the E, got out of the booth and came forward as the bauce :beli:

Bret spitting in the face of VKM and writing WCW in the air was one of the signature moments of the era before it was donned the Attitude Era.


Bret and Austin beating the shyt out of each other and getting his ass whooped in the ambulance, then HBK superkicking him in the wheelchair and the way HBK Taker were weaved into that feud began the Era.

Bret Austin HBK McMahon was all synergy.

And the writing of it was dope shyt the way it was woven together.

Bret was a big part of the Attitude Era. :ufdup:

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Regardless of what he did during the birth of the attitude era, he wanted no part of the direction creatively and he was gone before the WWE turned things around.

He was being forced out of WWE because Vince claimed they were in "financial peril". Less than a year later, he's paying Tyson 3 million or whatever it was, and RAW is starting to overtake Nitro in the ratings. He flounders in WCW, while Vince's business goes through the roof.

They earned money on the direction he hated, while he wasn't there, partly through a character that spawned out his real life betrayal.

Of course the dude is and always will be bitter about that time period.
 

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No. The parents weren't characters in the Stu/Helen Hart vein. Bret crossed the line and he knew it, trying to apologize afterwards. You can keep making excuses but I'm telling you that's when the real "beef" started. "Sunny Days" was a harsh receipt.

No, the Sunny Days was a receipt for the promo he cut in the wheelchair that went over time on RAW, where Michael's superkick never made air.

The wheelchair promo that ran overtime was the one that Michaels got really pissed about. His superkick to Bret never made air, and that's when he fired back with the Sunny Days remark. He thought Bret ran over time on purpose.
 

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damn dbp you really do believe everything you read. have it your way :manny:
 
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Regardless of what he did during the birth of the attitude era, he wanted no part of the direction creatively and he was gone before the WWE turned things around.

He was being forced out of WWE because Vince claimed they were in "financial peril". Less than a year later, he's paying Tyson 3 million or whatever it was, and RAW is starting to overtake Nitro in the ratings. He flounders in WCW, while Vince's business goes through the roof.

They earned money on the direction he hated, while he wasn't there, partly through a character that spawned out his real life betrayal.

Of course the dude is and always will be bitter about that time period.

Can't you understand that without Bret, Austin and the Mr McMahon character don't have the steam they do? They got all their heat and notoriety off of their issues with Bret.

The attitude era started in 97 with the Raw is War set after that shytty show in Africa bombed. That's when the Harts linked up to fight Austin, that's when HBK started getting more lewd, that's when the Nation got blacker, that's when Paul Bearer would openly brag about slamming Taker's mother.

shyt didn't just begin when Austin won the belt.
 

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Can't you understand that without Bret, Austin and the Mr McMahon character don't have the steam they do? They got all their heat and notoriety off of their issues with Bret.

The attitude era started in 97 with the Raw is War set after that shytty show in Africa bombed. That's when the Harts linked up to fight Austin, that's when HBK started getting more lewd, that's when the Nation got blacker, that's when Paul Bearer would openly brag about slamming Taker's mother.

shyt didn't just begin when Austin won the belt.

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Wasn't the Pillman - Austin gun angle in 96.
 
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