Brehs, would you try out living in a socialist utopia?

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I didn't argue that "blacks" did.

But historically we have saw what a detriment it was to us as a people

You're posting perspectives from the height of the Cold War. King was talking this shyt when the USSR and the USA were literally fighting it out for a dominant economic perspective.

50 years later, its obvious that while no system is perfect, that capitalism itself has helped the black community and black people around the world MORE than communist systems have.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Lmao because there is ABSOLUTELY nothing you can teach me about Communist governments that we didn't already learn from the USSR imploding or China letting people strangle babies.

It does. Not. Work.

You can't cite ONE successful Communist state that you prefer to the U.S.

@Blacksands gave a good example using Norway but it doesn't absolve wage gaps. It doesn't prevent the gathering of wealth. It doesn't really solve any of the issues you say it will.

So teach me breh

How we gone save the homeless with empty houses with no lights, water, or food in them

and he can't name a society where black people escaped racism to a communist country and didn't encounter racism

Dudes keep thinking if they change X they can fix Y.

The problem is white supremacy. Period.

Communism won't fix racism

Socialism won't fix racism

Capitalism won't fix racism

As black Americans, this is the BEST place to create SOMETHING on earth.

The. Best. Place.

Get it how you live.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Lmao because there is ABSOLUTELY nothing you can teach me about Communist governments that we didn't already learn from the USSR imploding or China letting people strangle babies.

It does. Not. Work.

You can't cite ONE successful Communist state that you prefer to the U.S.

@Blacksands gave a good example using Norway but it doesn't absolve wage gaps. It doesn't prevent the gathering of wealth. It doesn't really solve any of the issues you say it will.

So teach me breh

How we gone save the homeless with empty houses with no lights, water, or food in them

I explained a few pages back, also you have to keep in mind, I'm in favor of a more stateless society i.e. Anarchy that resembles that of Spain in the 1930's, i'm not a communist myself. funny how i also mention socialism or at the least a country that would resemble democratic socities like Norway, but you went right with the most extreme of the three

How we gone save the homeless with empty houses with no lights, water, or food? Simple, we give it away what we produce which is already more than enough.. Cuba has done it.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

You're posting perspectives from the height of the Cold War. King was talking this shyt when the USSR and the USA were literally fighting it out for a dominant economic perspective.

50 years later, its obvious that while no system is perfect, that capitalism itself has helped the black community and black people around the world MORE than communist systems have.

Actually it's a bit more complicated than that.

Poor People's Campaign - Wikipedia

King wanted to bring poor people to Washington D.C., forcing politicians to see them and think about their needs: "We ought to come in mule carts, in old trucks, any kind of transportation people can get their hands on. People ought to come to Washington, sit down if necessary in the middle of the street and say, 'We are here; we are poor; we don't have any money; you have made us this way...and we've come to stay until you do something about it."

Poor People's Campaign - Wikipedia

The FBI, which had been targeting King since 1962 with COINTELPRO, increased its efforts after King’s April 4, 1967 speech titled “Beyond Vietnam”. It also lobbied government officials to oppose King on the grounds that he was a communist, “an instrument in the hands of subversive forces seeking to undermine the nation”, and affiliated with “two of the most dedicated and dangerous communists in the country”

The Uncompromising Anti-Capitalism of Martin Luther King Jr.

Although King specifically advocated for democratic socialism as the ameliorator of the vast chasm between rich and poor, it is clear that his primary interest was not in democratic socialism or in any ideology for its own sake. His concern was for poor people's needs to be addressed, for all to have equal opportunities to thrive, for workers to have democratic rights in the workplace. Under capitalism, workers as citizens have political rights, but as workers they have virtually no rights or say-so about their working conditions, hours, wages, etc. Corporate capitalists now even enforce control over what workers can say and do outside the workplace.

 

[hayesc0]

Would totally do it...

But my ideal commune or whatever would be more technological....

Ima make that shyt one day...

Yeah I agree it looks to white and rural lol but a technologically sophisticated version with real diversity would be dope. I would do that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Actually it's a bit more complicated than that.

Poor People's Campaign - Wikipedia



Poor People's Campaign - Wikipedia




The Uncompromising Anti-Capitalism of Martin Luther King Jr.

You keep posting shyt I ALREADY know.

Lets just admit it. You don't know what you're talking about.

Again, those perspectives are frozen in time.

Theres more black wealth, of all stripes, now than there ever was.

Now if you want to talk about increased regulation and more government oversight of private corporate excesses, fine...but I'm not a communist, and I'm not a hardcore socialist so you're going to have to come with way more educated, researched, and assertive positions.

A MLK in 1968 is not who I get my perspectives on black economics from.

 

[MegaManX]

Better tell @Son of Sierra Leone ...that nikka owes me a mini-mansion

On a serious note that sounds cool, but again it leaves us with two big problems...

Govt. gives me an apartment. Cool. I have 3 kids. The apartment is too small. At that point I have to do for self. Period. I want a house so I have to move up in the world. One of two things has to happen. Either the govt. has to cover my ass again and hook me up with better housing, OR capitalism has to kick in and allow me to work more hours or get a promotion or SOMETHING, otherwise I'm being restricted by the Socialist Govt. That isn't right.



Absolutely not. I want everybody at my job, in my family, in my friend circle, to eat like kings. I grew up syrup sandwich+pink milk for lunch poor so I want EVERYBODY to win...

Expect the people who don't want to get up off their lazy asses and put in work. They should starve. That includes people in the hood living off the government AND trust fund babies living off their luck.

It should be work put in+overall economic impact*replaceability = paycheck out.

Engineers keep the city with power, Allows all the businesses to make money. They deserve more pay than wack ass politicians who don't make any progress.

That is the big problem with your assessment. You think ANY form of extra work or better wages = capitalism. Was it capitalism in ancient Greece when someone wanted more cows? Is the idea of working a little harder for something more EXCLUSIVELY capitalism. Because that is an extremely slippery slope when the act of working more for more compensation automatically means "capitalism has to kick in."

 

[Drip Bayless]

Communism NEVER works. Period. Nowhere on the planet at any time period has communism been successful. It is a system that depends solely on those at the top to be fair to those at the bottom for no reason other than..."it's fair and you should."

Grow some balls, go outside, and make you some got damn money


And no. I would not willingly be a part of a socialist society. All it would be is the government paying you (or providing you) less than what you're worth, and taking the rest of it to the bank like

But because EVERYBODY makes the same, your sorry ass is happily at work like "wow we have no problems "

nikkas walking around like zombies with no motivation

If you need the government to save you then you can't be saved

Communism has never been implemented, only state capitalism

 

[MegaManX]

You contradicted yourself.

You yourself said that China is short on.....what? RESOURCES?

The basis of Communism is the sharing of...what?
RESOURCES.

That means when the GOVT ain't got no (say it with me now) RESOURCES...

NOBODY has any...RESOURCES!

So when the Govt decides how we should share the...RESOURCES...

Who loses? Not the gotdamn Govt...the PEOPLE DO!

In a Captialistic country, you could have as many kids as you can afford to feed. Period. If your kids starve...oh well, that's on you.

In the US, welfare programs prevent (some) kids from starving. That's a socialist concept applied to a capitalistic society.

If the Chinese govt wasn't expected to feed ALL the kids (which they are...because Communism) then they wouldn't give two shyts about how hungry your kids are or how 23 of yall live in a 3 bedroom apartment.

A special kind of stupid. The overpopulation situation is a humanitarian one, not a government structure one.

To put it in perspective, the "communist" China has a better MEDIAN life expectancy, wealth, and economic mobility than the VERY CAPITALISTIC India, right below it.

India is a third world country with plenty of Billionaires. You want a capitalistic utopia. Look at India. Where people build 46 STORY mansions for themselves right on top of slums where people literally live in garbage. The kind of slums that would make Brazil's ghettos look like 5th avenue in Manhattan.

 

[MegaManX]

Lmao because there is ABSOLUTELY nothing you can teach me about Communist governments that we didn't already learn from the USSR imploding or China letting people strangle babies.

It does. Not. Work.

You can't cite ONE successful Communist state that you prefer to the U.S.

@Blacksands gave a good example using Norway but it doesn't absolve wage gaps. It doesn't prevent the gathering of wealth. It doesn't really solve any of the issues you say it will.

So teach me breh

How we gone save the homeless with empty houses with no lights, water, or food in them

In before china went from democratic property of Britain as a third world country. Becoming Communist as a free country. Rapidly developing over a few decades, and now becoming the 2nd biggest economy in the world. Communist China started from the bottom but now its here. US is sweating bullets.

China might not be AS COMMUNIST as it once was but make no mistake, their progress over the last 30 years was BECAUSE of communism.

 

[MegaManX]

and he can't name a society where black people escaped racism to a communist country and didn't encounter racism

Dudes keep thinking if they change X they can fix Y.

The problem is white supremacy. Period.

Communism won't fix racism

Socialism won't fix racism

Capitalism won't fix racism

As black Americans, this is the BEST place to create SOMETHING on earth.

The. Best. Place.

Get it how you live.

actually Cuba helped free South Africa and many other countries from British rule. It is a bastion of black society. The power structure is completely flipped. Nelson Mandela went out his way to make sure everyone KNEW communist countries help them. Not the West. Reagan said nope. Castro said Hell yes and sent muthafukking troops in to help the Africans.

 

[Majestic]

@seveninthechamber drop your gems bruh

 

[87 others]

If you want equal wealth for everyone then you're a loser plain and simple. I cannot see anybody with any kind of goals or dreams wanting that. Live in a country where no matter how hard you work you get the same exact outcome as the next man, brehs. Study to be a doctor and earn as much as a garbage collector, brehs.

 

[87 others]

So there being billionaires and millionaires while everyone else is scarping to get by means capitalism is a success

and how is not worrying about rent, bills/utilities, transportation, housing, medical expenses a bad thing

also, do you look at it as the government saving someone when Obama bailed out Wallstreet Bankers who crumbled the economy? or because they have the means that's ok

Yeah, you fukking ambition-less fakkit. I would laugh right in your face if I was a self-made millionaire who worked his way up while you worked for 10 bucks an hour because you never bothered to pick up any skills and you had the nerve to fix your mouth to tell me that I owe you something.

 

[tater]

Communism NEVER works. Period. Nowhere on the planet at any time period has communism been successful. It is a system that depends solely on those at the top to be fair to those at the bottom for no reason other than..."it's fair and you should."

Grow some balls, go outside, and make you some got damn money


And no. I would not willingly be a part of a socialist society. All it would be is the government paying you (or providing you) less than what you're worth, and taking the rest of it to the bank like

But because EVERYBODY makes the same, your sorry ass is happily at work like "wow we have no problems "

nikkas walking around like zombies with no motivation

If you need the government to save you then you can't be saved

But you're only looking at it from a monetary standpoint. I think if all your basic needs are met, you have more money to flourish elsewhere. What would you be doing if money wasn't an issue?