Brehs, would you try out living in a socialist utopia?

[MegaManX]

first off, that is not a socialistic utopian society. That is tribalism.

Socialism means the government has control over all MANDATORY NEEDS, and privatizes all non-mandatory sections. Those sections are then distributed between the business entrepaneur (25%) and the business employees (75%)

If your business is awesome, you get a nice chunk of change, if not, the model isnt viable. Everyone owns shares so no one is left behind but everyone is NOT PAID THE SAME.

Examples of MANDATORY NEEDS.

Housing
Water
Electricity
Medical
National Defense

Examples of non-mandatory needs. AKA wants.

Mercedes Benz
Massage Parlor
Wingstop
Whatever is not absolutely necessary.


When you talk about socialistic utopia, you talk about Scandinavian countries. That shyt in the video is TRIBALISM where there is no concept of money.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

You want to see people barely scraping by (at best), look at every attempt at a communist society.

You realize why that was correct?

 

[El Coupeacabra]

So there being billionaires and millionaires while everyone else is scarping to get by means capitalism is a success

Uhhhhh yeah fool. That's how nature works. There's 2 or 3 Lions and 999999999 worker ants. Worker ants don't get to live like Lions.

You sound like a worker ant that wishes he was a Lion.

and how is not worrying about rent, bills/utilities, transportation, housing, medical expenses a bad thing

Okay so the government picks up all that. Cool. What if you have 3 kids and want to have a house with 4 bedrooms?

Government says nah, you get 2 beds 2 baths like everybody else. You cool with that? What if they only provide enough to send 2 of your kids to college? Is your youngest just assed out cus the Government says so?

also, do you look at it as the government saving someone when Obama bailed out Wallstreet Bankers who crumbled the economy? or because they have the means that's ok

You know what, you're right. That was some bullshyt. He should've let the banks AND the automotive companies fail.

Except what happens next is...the government has to pay all the people who had their money in the banks (you're FDIC insured for up yo $250,000 per account) and then give welfare money to all the GM and Ford workers who lost their jobs.

So Barack looked at a risk analysis sheet, saw that it was probably cheaper and easier to loan money to the Banks and Automakers and did that instead.

Captialism allows him to make that decision. You can apply socialism to capitalism but you CANNOT apply capitalism to socialism. Communism and Socialism are limited in that facet.

 

[El Coupeacabra]

you going off the past. you going off some crooked ass cacs, get those cacs off yo mind.

Communism doesn't work because it assumes those at the top will be fair to those at the bottom...just because.

So what you're saying is you're ready to:

run a socialist empire ready to smash on cacs and levas like u

For the exact same pay and benefits that the guy who works the desk at the city office.

That's cool to you?

Go ahead, lie and say yeah. Lying ass.

Do more work, make more impact, make more money.

That's how shyt is SUPPOSED to work.

It shouldn't be: burger flipper = engineer = Prime Minister = secretary.

If that's the case, fukk being anything. I'mma go flip burgers and have just as many resources as you while you "Run the empire."

 

[El Coupeacabra]

first off, that is not a socialistic utopian society. That is tribalism.

Socialism means the government has control over all MANDATORY NEEDS, and privatizes all non-mandatory sections. Those sections are then distributed between the business entrepaneur (25%) and the business employees (75%)

If your business is awesome, you get a nice chunk of change, if not, the model isnt viable. Everyone owns shares so no one is left behind but everyone is NOT PAID THE SAME.

Examples of MANDATORY NEEDS.

Housing
Water
Electricity
Medical
National Defense

Examples of non-mandatory needs. AKA wants.

Mercedes Benz
Massage Parlor
Wingstop
Whatever is not absolutely necessary.


When you talk about socialistic utopia, you talk about Scandinavian countries. That shyt in the video is TRIBALISM where there is no concept of money.

I don't see how this prevents haves VS. have nots like the OP is suggesting.

This looks a modified version of the Socialistic Capitalism that the U.S. is built off of now...modified in that obviously more things are provided by the government and there is a artificial earnings cap but still...

In this example there are going to be business owners with hella throwaway money and burger flippers who wish their government-provided house was bigger, like their boss's house.

Unless the bosses get free housing too? Then god damn they must be caking hard af...either way it's not equal

 

[Shoog Shatmi]

You realize why that was correct?

Why?

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Uhhhhh yeah fool. That's how nature works. There's 2 or 3 Lions and 999999999 worker ants. Worker ants don't get to live like Lions.

Well for one, they're two different species, so no shyt they wouldn't live like the other.

You sound like a worker ant that wishes he was a Lion.


Okay so the government picks up all that. Cool. What if you have 3 kids and want to have a house with 4 bedrooms?

Government says nah, you get 2 beds 2 baths like everybody else. You cool with that? What if they only provide enough to send 2 of your kids to college? Is your youngest just assed out cus the Government says so?

You do realize how any banks are just sitting on empty houses right, and on top of that because of bureaucracy we could make it so everyone could have adequate housing or shelter?

Also it's not a matter of "providing" to send 2 kids to colleges when the means would be in the hands of the people so my children would be able to go whether they chose to or not.


You know what, you're right. That was some bullshyt. He should've let the banks AND the automotive companies fail.

I didn't say mention bailout in reference to the industry, but not holding any of those responsible for the economy crash in 2008 accountable but he didn't because they're his biggest support base.

Except what happens next is...the government has to pay all the people who had their money in the banks (you're FDIC insured for up yo $250,000 per account) and then give welfare money to all the GM and Ford workers who lost their jobs.

So Barack looked at a risk analysis sheet, saw that it was probably cheaper and easier to loan money to the Banks and Automakers and did that instead.

Captialism allows him to make that decision. You can apply socialism to capitalism but you CANNOT apply capitalism to socialism. Communism and Socialism are limited in that facet

Socialism/Communism aren't about applying band-aids to systematic/sociopolitical problems and trying to maximize profit.It's about enriching the lives of the people.

 

[calixprynce]

Communism doesn't work because it assumes those at the top will be fair to those at the bottom...just because.

So what you're saying is you're ready to:



For the exact same pay and benefits that the guy who works the desk at the city office.

That's cool to you?

Go ahead, lie and say yeah. Lying ass.

Do more work, make more impact, make more money.

That's how shyt is SUPPOSED to work.

It shouldn't be: burger flipper = engineer = Prime Minister = secretary.

If that's the case, fukk being anything. I'mma go flip burgers and have just as many resources as you while you "Run the empire."

if yo lazy bum ass wanna contribute by flippin burgers , then flip burgers.. but you gone do something or you gone be in a camp breaking rocks and building statues lil nikka

and stop telling nikkas they lyin, thats female shyt

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Why?

There's a list of reasons

Stalinism essentially curating the works of Lenin and Marx for himself and his cohorts (top to bottom but not bottom to top)
US/UK using economic sanctions of smaller soviet states (same shyt they did to Iraq)
Overthrowing governments in Latin America and replacing them with figureheads backed by America like Pincohet and Bautista
wars depleting sources afghan vs soviets in the 80's, vietnam in the 70's/60's, DPRK in the 50's causing countries to horde resources and cut off their people

I mean if we're gonna keep it funky why you think they killed off Malcolm, MLK and framed some of them white hippie cacs all up and throughout the 60's

 

[MegaManX]

Communism doesn't work because it assumes those at the top will be fair to those at the bottom...just because.

So what you're saying is you're ready to:



For the exact same pay and benefits that the guy who works the desk at the city office.

That's cool to you?

Go ahead, lie and say yeah. Lying ass.

Do more work, make more impact, make more money.

That's how shyt is SUPPOSED to work.

It shouldn't be: burger flipper = engineer = Prime Minister = secretary.

If that's the case, fukk being anything. I'mma go flip burgers and have just as many resources as you while you "Run the empire."

you are talking about some fantasy world in which everything is treated equally. Something in every single sociopolitical class says is IMPOSSIBLE AND NEVER EXISTED in history.

I can use hyperbole too to discredit capitalism but there is no such thing as PURE capitalism so i won't bother.

 

[El Coupeacabra]

Well for one, they're two different species, so no shyt they wouldn't live like the other.

It's funny because you tried to be disingenuous and yet made a fantastic point.

How much do you and a billionaire have in common?

You do realize how any banks are just sitting on empty houses right, and on top of that because of bureaucracy we could make it so everyone could have adequate housing or shelter?

Uhhhhhhh no. You're breaking your own pretend government's laws already and we're only on the second part of the reply.

If one person has 3 kids and needs a 4 bedroom house and they get provided a house by a bank/the govt/the people/whoever...

Then whats stopping me from having 13 kids so that I can say I need a mini-mansion for "adequate shelter?"

I'm sure the banks have got some 12 bed 12 baths they can come up off of right?

Also it's not a matter of "providing" to send 2 kids to colleges when the means would be in the hands of the people so my children would be able to go whether they chose to or not.

Oh shyt...so we're just handing out education now? Well fukk me, I'm enrolling all 13 of my kids to the best "people provided" college available then.

The resources are for everybody, right?

I didn't say mention bailout in reference to the industry, but not holding any of those responsible for the economy crash in 2008 accountable but he didn't because they're his biggest support base.

I know you didn't mention the Automakers (I'm assuming that's what you meant as this looks to be a typo). I mentioned them to make a point. He very well could have let them all die...but that would've cratered the economy AND the government would've had to pick up the tab anyway. Whether they supported him or not didn't matter.

It's funny how you're clamoring for socialism and yet discrediting Obama for applying socialism. Lmao.

He didn't hold the banks accountable just like you don't want me to be held accountable for these 13 kids.

I filled out all the paperwork for the mini mansion btw, when do we move in???

Socialism/Communism aren't about applying band-aids to systematic/sociopolitical problems and trying to maximize profit.It's about enriching the lives of the people.

Like I said...I got 13 (pretend) babies who's lives need "enrichment"

And the banks and schools don't need profit you say? Shiiidddddd I can't wait to have all my freely educated kids living in our Mini Mansion that the "people" hooked us up with.

Its crazy cus I just work retail. I heard the leader of our crazy new socilaist country doesn't have any kids and therefore they only "provided" him a studio apartment.

Its fair tho. He cares about people like me because....idk he just does!

 

[Shoog Shatmi]

There's a list of reasons

Stalinism essentially curating the works of Lenin and Marx for himself and his cohorts (top to bottom but not bottom to top)
US/UK using economic sanctions of smaller soviet states (same shyt they did to Iraq)
Overthrowing governments in Latin America and replacing them with figureheads backed by America like Pincohet and Bautista
wars depleting sources afghan vs soviets in the 80's, vietnam in the 70's/60's, DPRK in the 50's causing countries to horde resources and cut off their people

I mean if we're gonna keep it funky why you think they killed off Malcolm, MLK and framed some of them white hippie cacs all up and throughout the 60's

So not only have capitalist countries been better at feeding people, they have been better at political and military conflict as well. That doesn't speak well for the long term viability of communism.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

It's funny because you tried to be disingenuous and yet made a fantastic point.

How much do you and a billionaire have in common?

Capital.


Uhhhhhhh no. You're breaking your own pretend government's laws already and we're only on the second part of the reply.

If one person has 3 kids and needs a 4 bedroom house and they get provided a house by a bank/the govt/the people/whoever...

Then whats stopping me from having 13 kids so that I can say I need a mini-mansion for "adequate shelter?"

I'm sure the banks have got some 12 bed 12 baths they can come up off of right?

Now to vacancies. There were 18.4 million vacant homes in the U.S. in Q4 '10 (11 percent of all housing units vacant all year round), which is actually an improvement of 427,000 from a year ago, but not for the reasons you'd think.

Nearly 11 Percent of US Houses Empty

3.5 Million Americans are Homeless. 18.6 Million Homes are Empty. WHAT's WRONG? - The Ring of Fire Network


Oh shyt...so we're just handing out education now? Well fukk me, I'm enrolling all 13 of my kids to the best "people provided" college available then.

The resources are for everybody, right?


I know you didn't mention the Automakers (I'm assuming that's what you meant as this looks to be a typo). I mentioned them to make a point. He very well could have let them all die...but that would've cratered the economy AND the government would've had to pick up the tab anyway. Whether they supported him or not didn't matter.

It's funny how you're clamoring for socialism and yet discrediting Obama for applying socialism. Lmao.

He didn't hold the banks accountable just like you don't want me to be held accountable for these 13 kids.

I filled out all the paperwork for the mini mansion btw, when do we move in???


Like I said...I got 13 (pretend) babies who's lives need "enrichment"

And the banks and schools don't need profit you say? Shiiidddddd I can't wait to have all my freely educated kids living in our Mini Mansion that the "people" hooked us up with.

Its crazy cus I just work retail. I heard the leader of our crazy new socilaist country doesn't have any kids and therefore they only "provided" him a studio apartment.

Its fair tho. He cares about people like me because....idk he just does!

 

[El Coupeacabra]

you are talking about some fantasy world in which everything is treated equally. Something in every single sociopolitical class says is IMPOSSIBLE AND NEVER EXISTED in history.

I can use hyperbole too to discredit capitalism but there is no such thing as PURE capitalism so i won't bother.

Nah I'm using hyperbole to highlight the weaknesses in the OP's example and ideas.

Communism raises the floor for the average person, economically.

But by nature, it HAS to place a ceiling on the average person, because we're all pulling from the pot, so if one person pulls too much it breaks the system.

So you have two real issues here now. 1...you end up with China-style regulations on how many kids you can have and how much food you get, which leads to millions of little girls being strangled at birth because thier father wanted a boy (and later on, a crisis due to the lack of women)

2...you need someone to exist OUTSIDE the system to make sure nobody is pulling too much from the pot. Execpt this person is also pulling from the pot. Who is checking this person? Another person? What if they both agree to take a lil extra? Then a third person?? Nah too late the whole fukking government is corrupt because they have to exist outside of the very system they champion. Its inherently flawed. Period.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

So not only have capitalist countries better at feeding people, they have been etter at political and miiltary conflict as well. That doesn't speak well for the long term viability of communism.

So you're okay with imperialism, colonization essentially? Even if it came at the expense of Black groups/orgs. here in the states.

Because keep in mind, it wasn't just communist countries America has toppled and starved out