Brehs Would you say grades are a pretty good indication of someone's intelligence?

[Exiled Martian]

Not really, no. There are intelligent people who are just plain lazy and have shytty grades. At the same time there are average minded people who are really ambitious and study a lot, so they have great grades.

I agree with that viewpoint to a certain degree (academic pun intended) Average & Eager > Intelligent & Awkward... I reckon if you are book smart it means you are good with theory stuff, but does not really prove applied knowledge well. I suppose the theory can help a bit but not more than that.

I used to do extremly bad in the CCNA course, because a lot of it is theory. But when it came to hands on stuff like setting up routers, switches with routing and vlans, I was blowing everyone out of the water, while most of them were doing better than me at the theory part. Some people are more applied, that's me. I'm glad the place I work for looks at experience more than grades, because to be honest my grades were average, but I probably was able to do more than the average person coming out of education.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

No. My brother gets good grades, but will argue with you to the death that psychology (his chosen major) is a more important branch of science than physics, biology, and chemistry.

 

[Medio]

not a 100% indication but there DEFINITELY is a positive correlation between intelligence and grades.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

not a 100% indication but there DEFINITELY is a positive correlation between intelligence and grades.

So a person getting straight A's in high school in non honors or AP classes is smarter than a person getting B's in AP classes?

Or in college,

A person getting B's in Neuroscience or Physics is smarter than a person getting A's in Sports Management?

Your point isn't necessarily false, but there are flaws to it.

 

[Type Username Here]

No. My brother gets good grades, but will argue with you to the death that psychology (his chosen major) is a more important branch of science than physics, biology, and chemistry.

Good god, he says this with a straight face?

 

[Type Username Here]

Good grades are more of a reflection of academic discipline and savvy than intelligence, but intelligence is also potentially reflected in grades. There are many famous geniuses all time that were below average to poor students but went on to innovate and achieve great feats of intellect and academic excellence.

Can you cite some examples? I know there has to be a few out there, but a lot of the ones I've normally heard about have been debunked.

 

[Medio]

So a person getting straight A's in high school in non honors or AP classes is smarter than a person getting B's in AP classes?

Or in college,

A person getting B's in Neuroscience or Physics is smarter than a person getting A's in Sports Management?

Your point isn't necessarily false, but there are flaws to it.

do you even know what correlation means? there is a positive correlation

which means AS A WHOLE someone with higher grades on AVERAGE is more intelligent than someone with LOWER grades. I'm not saying it is a strong correlation, but it's definitely not negative. But there are probably studies of correlation about this very topic. numbers don't lie.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

Good god, he says this with a straight face?

If he wasn't family breh.... I swear to god .

 

[Type Username Here]

do you even know what correlation means? there is a positive correlation

which means AS A WHOLE someone with higher grades on AVERAGE is more intelligent than someone with LOWER grades. I'm not saying it is a strong correlation, but it's definitely not negative. But there are probably studies of correlation about this very topic. numbers don't lie.

Agreed. There are always outliers in these sort of things, but I am willing to bet that there on average a good indication. Far from precise or perfect though.

The best to determine intelligence are tests that don't really involve memorization but purely logic/reason. I've taken tests before where it has been open notes, formulate sheets and so on but it didn't even fukking matter. If you couldn't look/read the problem and use proper logic to break it down, none of that shyt at your disposal did you any good. A lot of programming tests are like this.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

do you even know what correlation means? there is a positive correlation

which means AS A WHOLE someone with higher grades on AVERAGE is more intelligent than someone with LOWER grades. I'm not saying it is a strong correlation, but it's definitely not negative. But there are probably studies of correlation about this very topic. numbers don't lie.

Yea I do. My senior thesis and project had a large component of advanced correlative statistics.

I didn't say your claim was false, and agree that there is a positive correlation as a whole, but there are numerous exceptions to the rule. Thats all.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Can you cite some examples? I know there has to be a few out there, but a lot of the ones I've normally heard about have been debunked.

Is it true that Einstein was a lousy student?
In some ways, yes. When he was very young, Einstein's parents worried that he had a learning disability because he was very slow to learn to talk. (He also avoided other children and had extraordinary temper tantrums.) When he started school, he did very well-he was a creative and persistent problem-solver-but he hated the rote, disciplined style of the teachers at his Munich school, and he dropped out when he was 15. Then, when he took the entrance examination for a polytechnic school in Zurich, he flunked. (He passed the math part, but failed the botany, zoology and language sections.) Einstein kept studying and was admitted to the polytechnic institute the following year, but even then he continued to struggle: His professors thought that he was smart but much too pleased with himself, and some doubted that he would graduate. He did, but not by much-which is how the young physicist found himself working in the Swiss Patent Office instead of at a school or university.

Michael Faraday
Although Faraday received little formal education he was one of the most influential scientists in history.[1] It was by his research on the magnetic field around a conductor carrying a direct current that Faraday established the basis for the concept of the electromagnetic field in physics. Faraday also established that magnetism could affect rays of light and that there was an underlying relationship between the two phenomena.[2][3] He similarly discovered the principle of electromagnetic induction, diamagnetism, and the laws of electrolysis. His inventions of electromagnetic rotary devices formed the foundation of electric motor technology, and it was largely due to his efforts that electricity became practical for use in technology.

William Herschel
The Amateur:

A composer who played the cello and oboe, who had no education in astronomy.

The Accomplishment:

Discovered several moons and, oh yeah -- a new planet.

German native William Herschel dreamed about outer space, but in his day-to-day life found himself about as far away from the stars as one can get; namely, England in the 18th century. He was a talented musician and by his late 20s, was taking prominent jobs in the exciting world of professional organ playing, and all the professional organ player groupies that presumably came with a gig like that.

Oh, and Herschel also happened to be a certified genius. Though being seriously interested in all things extra-terrestrial, he didn't have a telescope. Obviously, the most sensible solution was to spend 16 hours a day grinding up mirrors and lenses to make his own. To fill out the underdog shape of this story arc, we like to think this happened after the rich, popular scientists made fun of him for not having a telescope at a dance.

[ended up discovering Uranus]

Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_1924...whose-genius-changed-world.html#ixzz2h3LK0nlN

 

[Type Username Here]

@VMR, Einstein failed because he took the exam in French, a language he was learning, and only failed the non-scientific portions of it:

Second, Einstein definitely did not fail at high school. Einstein was born on 14 March in Ulm, in Germany, in 1879. The next year, his family moved to Munich. At the age of 7, he started school in Munich. At the age of 9, he entered the Luitpold-Gymnasium. By the age of 12 he was studying calculus. Now this was very advanced, because the students would normally study calculus when they were 15 years old. He was very good at the sciences. But, because the 19th-century German education system was very harsh and regimented, he didn't really develop his non-mathematical skills (such as history, languages, music and geography). In fact, it was his mother, not his school, who encouraged him to study the violin - and he did quite well at that as well.

In 1895, he sat the entrance examinations to get into the prestigious Federal Polytechnic School (or Academy) in Zurich, Switzerland. He was 16, two years younger than his fellow applicants. He did outstandingly well in physics and mathematics, but failed the non-science subjects, doing especially badly in French - so he was not accepted. So in that same year, he continued his studies at the Canton school in Aargau (also called Aarau). He studied well, and this time, he passed the entry exams into the Federal Polytechnic School.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/06/23/1115185.htm


The other two weren't in a situation to be judged by their grades. You're assuming they would have failed or done bad in an academic setting.

 

[TheReal_Broke_88m3_13]

You know how many people are cheating out here breh? If we could eliminate cheating, grades would be a better reflection of intelligence but they will never tell the whole story.

This cat brought a wifi hot spot t one of the exams, where they blocked the internet...

The amount of cheating goes in rigorous math and science classes is astounding.

I've never look at cats with 3.8 - 4.0's the same. Those are some of the biggest cheaters...

 

[Type Username Here]

This cat brought a wifi hot spot t one of the exams, where they blocked the internet...

The amount of cheating goes in rigorous math and science classes is astounding.

I've never look at cats with 3.8 - 4.0's the same. Those are some of the biggest cheaters...

Where and how are you in these classes where cheating is possible? Are you in a 200 person class?

My classes are 20-35 student tops, and there will usually be the Professor and TAs in there, as well as having separate desks and different exams.

 

[Type Username Here]

If he wasn't family breh.... I swear to god .

That shyt is grounds for disowning.