Brehs Would you say grades are a pretty good indication of someone's intelligence?

[Exiled Martian]

To clarify, I meant book smart

Now I know having high grades in classes that requires good aptitude, memory, and logical thinking skills are basically I.Q tests in disguise......I am posting this because a lot of people seem to think having high grades doesn't necessarily mean a person is smart, but that it is just that they worked hard. IMO I generally like to support the idea that success in the hard sciences = intelligence, but that isn't the full story.as I know a few people who are truly are Super Saiyan genius level , but they really lack social intelligence. They can't empathize properly or have a normal conversation and tend to find people boring. In that sense they are stupid...Now that I'm out of Education....I think some of the most intelligent people in the world are actually those who can navigate social/professional hierarchies to their benefit

Classes such as Calculus, linear math, Organic chemistry are universally known to be very hard classes. Math especially tests a person's logical thinking, memory, and problem solving skills to a great extent.
Humans just aren't inherently good with numbers. That is why we have difficulty doing mental math. Of course there are a few exceptions, but generally it is safe to say that a lot of people struggle with math for this reason. The people who are good with math are needed, and you can be sure they will or can make a lot of money......Let's Commence with a Civil Discussion.....

 

[Depreciating Asset]

You know how many people are cheating out here breh? If we could eliminate cheating, grades would be a better reflection of intelligence but they will never tell the whole story.

 

[Exiled Martian]

You know how many people are cheating out here breh? If we could eliminate cheating, grades would be a better reflection of intelligence but they will never tell the whole story.

True say, there is alot of academic blatant plagiarism going down......there's no way of exterminating cheating & making intelligence i.e good grade getting 100% clean....Also I see that if you gonna make certain assumptions about GradeVs Intelligence...you usually come to these non-conflicting conclusions in most cases:

good grades are correlated with high intelligence
poor grades the opposite
intelligent people having average grades is not rare
average people having high grades is rare
again, we are talking about "difficult" courses here

To reiterate the point in my OP.......some of the dumbest and most close minded people got great grades and are book smart. But that's all they are. All their intelligence is being able to recite what they were told in a book. They can't figure anything out unless it's been told to them. You see alot of that on various forums just by gauging the undertone & just how some members tend to communicate on a regular basis i.e... A lot of smart people but mixed in with way to many who absolutely can not think outside the box. They live off quotes and other peoples numbers and put up a brick wall and want to burn you as a witch if you suggest anything different than what their book, doctor, drug company, website, or what not says. Not realizing that many of those are tainted with bias and greed. They essentially have the mentality of "if it's on TV it must be true". But they don't even realize what a mental block they have put up

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Nah, not at all actually. When I was goin to one of them wealthy white schools I witnessed a whole lot of cheating.

 

[Blackking]

naw... i had str8 A's in all honors classes at a rich cac school. Until you get to college if you just remember facts and complete every assignment you will do good.

It's more about drive and determination. There are very intelligent people who drop out. My lil bro is a Systems Engineer and is actually one of the dumbest people I know, he scored a 910 on the SAT. I scored damn near perfect -........ he makes more money than me and eventually had a higher overall college GPA than me.

We both know our society isn't really set up to be smart , it's set up based on who can scam the hardest.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

True say, there is alot of academic blatant plagiarism going down......there's no way of exterminating cheating & making intelligence i.e good grade getting 100% clean....Also I see that if you gonna make certain assumptions about GradeVs Intelligence...you usually come to these non-conflicting conclusions in most cases:

good grades are correlated with high intelligence
poor grades the opposite
intelligent people having average grades is not rare
average people having high grades is rare
again, we are talking about "difficult" courses here

To reiterate the point in my OP.......some of the dumbest and most close minded people got great grades and are book smart. But that's all they are. All their intelligence is being able to recite what they were told in a book. They can't figure anything out unless it's been told to them. You see alot of that on various forums just by gauging the undertone & just how some members tend to communicate on a regular basis i.e... A lot of smart people but mixed in with way to many who absolutely can not think outside the box. They live off quotes and other peoples numbers and put up a brick wall and want to burn you as a witch if you suggest anything different than what their book, doctor, drug company, website, or what not says. Not realizing that many of those are tainted with bias and greed. They essentially have the mentality of "if it's on TV it must be true". But they don't even realize what a mental block they have put up

I try to avoid conversations about how intelligent this or that person is because I think they are always too simplistic.

In my view intelligence is as complex as physical beauty. It is multi-faceted and has both objective and subjective measures. Everyone will not find the same person intelligent just as we don't all think Tyra Banks is stunningly beautiful.

Is Ken Jennings (Jeopardy super champion) smarter than Magic Johnson or Bill Gates or Peyton Manning or John Coltrane? They each are highly intelligent in different areas just as different women have different physical beauty attributes.

Unless we have a complete picture of the multiple intelligences that exist and can measure people in all of the different categories, then I think just talking about book smarts or social hierarchical skills is not seeing the whole picture.

Social hierarchical skills can have more to do with charisma, perception and confidence than brain power. How can you use that as a better barometer than grades? They are both lacking. It is all much too complicated.

 

[Type Username Here]

It isn't perfect for the reasons mentioned above and due to grade curving, but it is still a decent indicator.

I've taken classes where the grades were not a good indicator, i.e. someone who I know it smarter than me at the subject and in general ended up doing worse, but I have also taken classes where the grades were absolutely good indicators.

All the Physics I have taken pretty much memorization, cheating and bullshytting your away through an exam is close to impossible. A lot of logic and reasoning on those exams, showing all the work and getting the right answer. Just memorizing the formula and concept didn't mean jack shyt.

 

[DEAD7]

An indication? yes. A good indication? no.

 

[Rawtid]

I don't think you can measure intelligence until you apply what you you've learned and receive a desireable output from it. If you factor in cheating, it's not difficult to get a good grade but how well the person understands the topic he got a good grade in is a different story.

A doctor is a good doctor not because she went to school but because she did xyz number of successul surgeries or whatever. A lawyer is good only because he won xyz number of cases or a high profile case.

 

[mbewane]

I would say no, because I myself have had (very) good grades from junior high all the way to university but I don't consider myself "life-smart". Understanding socialism and multi-faceted identities is cool and all but doesn't really translate into real-life everyday and "social" intelligence, and at the end of the day that's the kind of intelligence that really matters.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Good grades are more of a reflection of academic discipline and savvy than intelligence, but intelligence is also potentially reflected in grades. There are many famous geniuses all time that were below average to poor students but went on to innovate and achieve great feats of intellect and academic excellence.

 

[Exiled Martian]

I try to avoid conversations about how intelligent this or that person is because I think they are always too simplistic.

In my view intelligence in as complex as physical beauty. It is multi-faceted and has both objective and subjective measures. Everyone will not find the same person intelligent just as we don't all think Tyra Banks is stunningly beautiful.

Is Ken Jennings (Jeopardy super champion) smarter than Magic Johnson or Bill Gates or Peyton Manning or John Coltrane? They each are highly intelligent in different areas just as different women have different physical beauty attributes.

Unless we have a complete picture of the multiple intelligences that exist and can measure people in all of the different categories, then I think just talking about book smarts or social hierarchical skills is not seeing the whole picture.

Social hierarchical skills can have more to do with charisma, perception and confidence than brain power. How can you use that as a better barometer than grades? They are both lacking. It is all much too complicated.

I guess you got a valid point about about the grey area i.e. defining intellect across a broad spectrum...To sum it up & come back full circle I guess we can conclude that there are different avenues for application of intelligence. My OP was intially made from the perspective of a young nerd...by the way I'm trying to whistle while I got the whole "pat head rub the tummy" thing going on. It's taking some effort breh

 

[Mr. Somebody]

No.

 

[Blackking]

I guess you got a valid point about about the grey area i.e. defining intellect across a broad spectrum...To sum it up & come back full circle I guess we can conclude that there are different avenues for application of intelligence. My OP was intially made from the perspective of a young nerd...by the way I'm trying to whistle while I got the whole "pat head rub the tummy" thing going on. It's taking some effort breh

it takes more than being a nerd to prove ur intelligent. If u only know Math then ur no better than a scientific calculator..... but if you can develop systems and programs and innovative technology then swag out on the marketing > Nerd.

 

[Olu Dara]

Not really, no. There are intelligent people who are just plain lazy and have shytty grades. At the same time there are average minded people who are really ambitious and study a lot, so they have great grades.