Brehs, are we ever going to have a SERIOUS discussion about the PHOENIX SUNS and Kevin Durant?

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i didn't read his expectations as being a suitable compliment to already great teams and players... at least initially... the expectations have tapered over time
This is revisionist hater ish. Thats the problem. People judge him at competing extremes. Dude is firmly a top 15 player of all time. That’s definitely exceeding the expectations of a number 2 overall pick. Stop and think of all the top 5 picks over the past 18 years (his career) and how many hold a candle to him?

The youngest scoring champ ever, MVP, four straight scoring titles, perennial all nba, 7 different WCF appearances, 2 finals MVPs, etc. But you’re on that bullshyt that you can’t be great unless you “made the team” which makes no sense and is ahistorical. Durant’s problem is that he ever listened to you guys.
 

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This is revisionist hater ish. Thats the problem. People judge him at competing extremes. Dude is firmly a top 15 player of all time. That’s definitely exceeding the expectations of a number 2 overall pick. Stop and think of all the top 5 picks over the past 18 years (his career) and how many hold a candle to him?

The youngest scoring champ ever, MVP, four straight scoring titles, perennial all nba, 7 different WCF appearances, 2 finals MVPs, etc. But you’re on that bullshyt that you can’t be great unless you “made the team” which makes no sense and is ahistorical. Durant’s problem is that he ever listened to you guys.

ok so you and apparently Durant as well acknowledges that theres a segment of the public that felt he hasnt done enough

i was referencing that fact not endorsing it
 

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Kd is really passive aggressive. He’s constantly getting on Bud about defense when the two worse defenders in the team are Booker and Beal. They’re his costars. Why doesnt he jsut speak to them directly. I be rofl watching the suns game. He’s doing the same thing he did inGSW. He won’t attack the issue directly, he wants the coach to do it even though he’s vocal about it
 

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all these goofballs keep insisting that KD is underrated and disrespected and he's better than bron and all this shyt - KD is empty calories if there isnt a real leader on the team to make sure his productivity is for winning basketball. sadly, i had to finally accept that booker isnt a real leader and we are stuck with this untradable quiet quitter from washington dc. fukk!!!
 

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#We Are The Flash #DOOMSET #LukeCageSet #NEWLWO

Am I lying?

Why don’t we talk more about Super Star Ben Simmons?

When don’t we discuss more my Scam Gawd (and the 3rd best SG after AI and MJ) in Harden and Russ always statpadding and going to Superteams more and coming up empty?

Luka game not aesthetically pleasing but we ignore that?

I just wanna see a coli where things are more consistent across the board
 

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Am I lying?

Why don’t we talk more about Super Star Ben Simmons?

When don’t we discuss more my Scam Gawd (and the 3rd best SG after AI and MJ) in Harden and Russ always statpadding and going to Superteams more and coming up empty?

Luka game not aesthetically pleasing but we ignore that?

I just wanna see a coli where things are more consistent across the board

You wanna see chaos round here. :ufdup:

Don't pleih, Bryan. :birdman:
 

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all these goofballs keep insisting that KD is underrated and disrespected and he's better than bron and all this shyt - KD is empty calories if there isnt a real leader on the team to make sure his productivity is for winning basketball. sadly, i had to finally accept that booker isnt a real leader and we are stuck with this untradable quiet quitter from washington dc. fukk!!!
Family, please explain in basketball terms what this means. Because there’s nothing basketball sensible about what you just said. Was LeBron empty calories these past few years with AD? Was Wade empty calories before LeBron came to the Heat post-Shaq? Was Kobe empty calories before Pau Gasol? I’m so sick of this non-sports related imaginary “leader” shyt. Do you know how crazy it is to say KD needs someone to make sure his productivity is for winning? That literally means nothing and makes no sense. The problem is that you, and a lot of other smart people came of age watching the Michael Jordan propaganda of basketball where you think cult of personality instead of team construction leads to winning. You believe that there is some intangible quality that makes teams win instead of just the players on the actual team.

Your team is only competitive BECAUSE of Kevin Durant. You have won about 1 game that isn’t against Utah without him. Your team SUCKS. Leadership isn’t your problem - it is roster construction. You’re looking at the names and thinking it should work instead of the talent and roster construction. The Phoenix Suns have less overall talent than probably 10 different rosters in the West. How much was Curry leading the Warriors when they tanked without KD? How much was he leading them these last few years or when they lost in the playoffs to a young Ja Morant? Is he suddenly leading them better post all star break or did he get JIMMY BUTLER and now everyone is in their natural role.

The Suns have three different guys on their team who prefer to operate out of the mid range without a legit defensive playmaker next to them and without athletic wings or a rim protector. You’re losing because you can’t defend anything and the guys on your team who can defend (Dunn) can’t space the floor. The Suns inserted Beal into the starting line up and then their bench scored like 8 points. Your team isn’t good b.

Your downfall was the Ayton trade - you’ve never found a suitable replacement and Beal’s NTC cost you Jimmy. Booker is a scorer and secondary playmaker who is being forced to be a primary playmaker and to defend the opposing team’s best guard half the time. It’s untenable.
 

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The Suns are just cooked

The owner is idiot

As soon as he bought the team and it became official he fukked everything up by trading both forwards for KD and then he compounded that by trading for Bradley Beal.

Team is cooked

Trade everyone.
Why is Devin Booker "untradeable" :childplease:

Trade that dude and start over

Matt Ishbia is retarded
 
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Phoenix is just poorly assembled. Sure a prime 27-year old KD would probably have them "better"... but they still wouldn't be winning shyt. Scoring isn't their biggest problem. They're 10th in offense but 27th in defense.

Mid-20s KD would've just overexerted himself into getting injured again. Ever since he fractured his foot in 2015 (26yrs old), his durability was good not great (72, 62, 68, 78 in 2019) leading up to the calf strain/ruptured Achilles in the 2019 playoffs. And most of those years were with the Warriors in which he had less responsibility and stopped logging 38mpg.
 

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Kd is really passive aggressive. He’s constantly getting on Bud about defense when the two worse defenders in the team are Booker and Beal. They’re his costars. Why doesnt he jsut speak to them directly. I be rofl watching the suns game. He’s doing the same thing he did inGSW. He won’t attack the issue directly, he wants the coach to do it even though he’s vocal about it
If true, that was the issue in Brooklyn as well according to the reports.
 
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