Breaking: Trump to order the closure of the the entire department of Education later today

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I, for one, welcome our new space overlords.
Perfect recipe for a villian story. They had him on the ropes with those court cases and the arrest and the mugshot. It seemed like he was done and tarnished for good.

I remember thinking if he ever managed to be president again, he'd be mean af.

Creh managed to bullshyt his way back to the white house and now he's setting the world alite while giving zero fukks.

It's gonna be a long 4 years folks:francis:
 

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it's pretty hard to defend it as a success :yeshrug:

the waste, bloat, and failure is obvious. can anyone actually defend it as a success? i'd be curious to read
The office of civil rights provided oversight and helped desegregate school districts, etc. it helped to delineate federally the line between the separation of church and state. They are the reason that 10th grade history classes are not Praise and Worship American Jesus classes.
National nutrition mandates to make sure lunches aren’t served by McDonalds.
Student debt relief, summer enrichment programs
Making sure school boards hire black teachers, and not just in black schools. Providing supplemental support to impoverished and rural communities to help with buses, etc. especially in states that depend on federal support like Alabama and Mississippi.
Integrating students with IEPs into general classrooms has also been a good thing. You can still get personalized help, etc, but they should not be segregated to one classroom, stigmatized and othered by peers. At least they are able to get the same instruction as others. There are still separate classes for those that need it, but we wouldn’t have uniform special education guidelines if not for Ed. Department policies.
They manage all of the Title things and influence national higher education policy. Title 5 (working off memory so I might be a number off) supports HBCU funding and title 9 makes sure women have equitable access to athletic scholarships as men. They also set national standards about what has to be reported on college campuses as it pertains to rapes and violent crimes.
Without the department enforcing FERPA laws, anybody could call up to a school and get your personal information.
Title 1 helps fund schools that serve students from lower class backgrounds. It helps fund field trips and computers and other needed items.

It is also good to have national standards for gun and drug policies. Schools that receive federal funding must abide by federal laws; so for instance, take UMass. Weed is legal in the state, but still illegal on campus. If you made it legal, the drug game would explode and you would see more organized crime, harder drugs and overdoses happening. This is also true for gun laws. I don’t need some wannabe cowboy vigilante sitting on an arsenal on the 3rd floor who is an incel. It already happens, but without that federal policy in place, the numbers of instances would multiply.

It has its flaws, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Reform it if you wish, but some oversight is better than no oversight. If it wasn’t for the department of education, Alabama would be teaching me that black people came over here for a vacation, lived communally with white planters, and that slavery ended, not because it was morally evil, but rather because the Industrial Revolution and immigration was phasing it out.
 

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Allowed to happen? The DOE provides funding for schools. The states run the schools for the most part. It's clear you're nothing but a reactionary who leans right despite being a democrat/liberal for some reason, so I knew you wouldn't have an argument here.

This hurts kids. The DOE isn't perfect but the MONEY and programs it provides are invaluable. Most black kids who go to college get a grant or scholarship through the DOE. The only reason disabled kids - especially rural white ones - are able to go to school is because the DOE pays to pick them up/drop them off. You want to make shyt better, reform the DOE. Specifically when it comes to what it allows states to do with federal money. Outright dissolving it will harm children. And further doom black kids.
These conservatives and CaCs don’t even know what these government agency’s do ….they watch conservative outlets intake gibberish talking points that amplify these things into wedge issues then react ….these bozos think the DoE controls curriculum :dead:
 

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No educational standard.

Easier for states to teach their version of history.

School will most likely get more expensive.

Additionally some states will be preparing their kids for college much better. That was the case now, but being educated in a Red State means you better have a lot of money for the best schools so you don’t look like a total dunce if you decide to go to a decent college (which will be harder to get accepted into based on your state’s reputation).

At the very very worst, states are starting to look like separate countries now.

That’ll additionally carry over into employment as well.

If you want to get a job in Cali but went to high school in South Carolina, good luck - people will know that the average Mexican gets a better education than your state. I’m pretty sure the average California thinks that already, this policy just now makes it more official.
Very well said, I appreciate the breakdown breh
 

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The office of civil rights provided oversight and helped desegregate school districts, etc. it helped to delineate federally the line between the separation of church and state. They are the reason that 10th grade history classes are not Praise and Worship American Jesus classes.
National nutrition mandates to make sure lunches aren’t served by McDonalds.
Student debt relief, summer enrichment programs
Making sure school boards hire black teachers, and not just in black schools. Providing supplemental support to impoverished and rural communities to help with buses, etc. especially in states that depend on federal support like Alabama and Mississippi.
Integrating students with IEPs into general classrooms has also been a good thing. You can still get personalized help, etc, but they should not be segregated to one classroom, stigmatized and othered by peers. At least they are able to get the same instruction as others. There are still separate classes for those that need it, but we wouldn’t have uniform special education guidelines if not for Ed. Department policies.
They manage all of the Title things and influence national higher education policy. Title 5 (working off memory so I might be a number off) supports HBCU funding and title 9 makes sure women have equitable access to athletic scholarships as men. They also set national standards about what has to be reported on college campuses as it pertains to rapes and violent crimes.
Without the department enforcing FERPA laws, anybody could call up to a school and get your personal information.
Title 1 helps fund schools that serve students from lower class backgrounds. It helps fund field trips and computers and other needed items.

It is also good to have national standards for gun and drug policies. Schools that receive federal funding must abide by federal laws; so for instance, take UMass. Weed is legal in the state, but still illegal on campus. If you made it legal, the drug game would explode and you would see more organized crime, harder drugs and overdoses happening. This is also true for gun laws. I don’t need some wannabe cowboy vigilante sitting on an arsenal on the 3rd floor who is an incel. It already happens, but without that federal policy in place, the numbers of instances would multiply.

It has its flaws, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Reform it if you wish, but some oversight is better than no oversight. If it wasn’t for the department of education, Alabama would be teaching me that black people came over here for a vacation, lived communally with white planters, and that slavery ended, not because it was morally evil, but rather because the Industrial Revolution and immigration was phasing it out.

Breh, if I was you I wouldn't waste all that text, he reflexively defends anything Trump does :yeshrug: has been for years
 

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The office of civil rights provided oversight and helped desegregate school districts, etc. it helped to delineate federally the line between the separation of church and state. They are the reason that 10th grade history classes are not Praise and Worship American Jesus classes.
National nutrition mandates to make sure lunches aren’t served by McDonalds.
Student debt relief, summer enrichment programs
Making sure school boards hire black teachers, and not just in black schools. Providing supplemental support to impoverished and rural communities to help with buses, etc. especially in states that depend on federal support like Alabama and Mississippi.
Integrating students with IEPs into general classrooms has also been a good thing. You can still get personalized help, etc, but they should not be segregated to one classroom, stigmatized and othered by peers. At least they are able to get the same instruction as others. There are still separate classes for those that need it, but we wouldn’t have uniform special education guidelines if not for Ed. Department policies.
They manage all of the Title things and influence national higher education policy. Title 5 (working off memory so I might be a number off) supports HBCU funding and title 9 makes sure women have equitable access to athletic scholarships as men. They also set national standards about what has to be reported on college campuses as it pertains to rapes and violent crimes.
Without the department enforcing FERPA laws, anybody could call up to a school and get your personal information.
Title 1 helps fund schools that serve students from lower class backgrounds. It helps fund field trips and computers and other needed items.

It is also good to have national standards for gun and drug policies. Schools that receive federal funding must abide by federal laws; so for instance, take UMass. Weed is legal in the state, but still illegal on campus. If you made it legal, the drug game would explode and you would see more organized crime, harder drugs and overdoses happening. This is also true for gun laws. I don’t need some wannabe cowboy vigilante sitting on an arsenal on the 3rd floor who is an incel. It already happens, but without that federal policy in place, the numbers of instances would multiply.

It has its flaws, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Reform it if you wish, but some oversight is better than no oversight. If it wasn’t for the department of education, Alabama would be teaching me that black people came over here for a vacation, lived communally with white planters, and that slavery ended, not because it was morally evil, but rather because the Industrial Revolution and immigration was phasing it out.

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