BREAKING: Trump now officially moves to end DACA, wants congress to replace the policy March 2018

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Analysis | White House claims ‘dreamers’ take jobs away from blacks and Hispanics. Here’s the truth.

White House claims ‘dreamers’ take jobs away from blacks and Hispanics. Here’s the truth.

It's a long-running talking point spouted by Trump administration members and the president himself: Undocumented immigrants are taking jobs away from black and Hispanic Americans.

Hours after President Trump dismantled an Obama-era program that had granted 800,000 young undocumented immigrants permission to live and work in the United States, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders again made the claim.

“It's a known fact that there are over 4 million unemployed Americans in the same age group as those that are DACA recipients; that over 950,000 of those are African Americans in the same age group; over 870,000 unemployed Hispanics in the same age group,” Sanders said during Tuesday’s press briefing. “Those are large groups of people that are unemployed that could possibly have those jobs.”

[The Daily 202: Daca reaction shows how immigration has become a litmus test for Democrats]

Here’s the problem: immigrant and native-born workers are imperfect substitutes. There is no evidence that the unemployed Americans, be they black, white or Hispanic, have the skills necessary to hold the same jobs occupied by the young beneficiaries of the five-year-old Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

“It is one thing to say that there are hundreds of thousands of minorities the same age that are unemployed, and a very different thing for them to have the same education, skills and experience as the employed DACA workers,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and former chief economic policy adviser to Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) presidential campaign.

“And if they do,” he added, “it begs the question as to why they don’t have those jobs in the first place.”

Contrary to Sanders’s assertion, he said, DACA improves the economic outlook for low-skilled, American-born workers. Without work permits, undocumented immigrants are more likely to take any job they can, even work that falls far below their skill or education level. DACA, on the other hand, allows those workers to move to jobs that better match their background, freeing up low-skilled positions.

There is just no compelling proof that immigration -- legal or illegal -- “squeezes out native-born workers in any systematic way,” Holtz-Eakin said. “We’ve experienced waves of immigration and still, on average, reached full employment.”

The number of jobs in the United States is not fixed. An influx of immigrant workers generates economic growth and employment opportunities by increasing productivity, said Jackie Varas, director of immigration and trade policy at American Action Forum.

“Many DACA recipients are also more skilled than other immigrants because they possess a college education, so they don’t compete with low-skilled Americans,” Varas said.

Furthermore, said Darrick Hamilton, an economics and urban policy professor at The New School, blacks and Latinos want access to quality jobs, not just jobs at the bottom of the labor market.

['Dreamers' can 'rest easy,' Ryan says, promising congressional action]

“Why do we reserve and presume the bottom of the labor market for blacks and Latinos?” Hamilton said. “Many DACA recipients are full-time students not engaged in taking away jobs.”

Of the DACA-eligible immigrants over 21 years old, 12 percent have bachelor’s degrees, 3 percent have advanced degrees, 84 percent have completed high school and some college, and 2 percent did not graduate from high school, according to an analysis by New American Economy.

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A Moody’s Analytics analysis of Trump's proposed economic policies last year showed that removing all undocumented immigrants from the labor force would trigger an economic recession within one year.

Another American Action Forum study found that if all undocumented immigrants were deported, there would not be enough American workers to fill all of the jobs that would be left open. And even if all available native workers filled the open slots, the country would still be short 4 million workers.

Trump and his supporters have often pitted minority groups against one another. But there is no broad economic justification to do so.

“Cannibalizing stigmatized and marginalized groups against each other serves the wealthy interests that benefit from such divisive colonial and labor segmenting tactics,” Hamilton said.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

construction workers make less because of illegals who don't report income AND whoo work for less

Of course.... Now... since those significant increases in profit margins have been realized over the last 2 decades via immigrant labor, what corporation/company is about to reduce their bottom line in the form of livable wages, unions, benefits, PTO time, etc, etc.... American companies never hustle backwards.... .they'll just find another demographic to exploit.... been doing it for over 500 years.... not sure what yall can't see that....

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Of course.... Now... since those significant increases in profit margins have been realized over the last 2 decades via immigrant labor, what corporation/company is about to reduce their bottom line in the form of livable wages, unions, benefits, PTO time, etc, etc.... American companies never hustle backwards.... .they'll just find another demographic to exploit.... been doing it for over 500 years.... not sure what yall can't see that....

Where does anything you've suggested help black labor?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Where does anything you've suggested help black labor?

The point is, black labor can't be helped until the power structure deems so..... removing immigrants from the equation is not going to help black labor unless we're ready to be exploited by being severely underpaid, and expected to put out the same or more labor output,,,

 

[NoChillJones]

Claude Anderson is not a fraud. He was a presidential advisor you piece of shyt

Shut your bytch ass up breh.......you been in here bytching for the last 2 days.......

 

[NoChillJones]

1. Blacks go to school

2. You can't "Trade school" your way out of a labor market that won't hire you. Hispanics already have a better reputation so theres a discrimination against hiring blacks in the first place

3. why the fukk would we learn Spanish? they could just hire a native speaker. thats not a job benefit. They get these jobs and lock blacks out of the market place

4. ILLEGAL immigrants are the problem, not legal ones. Illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be coming here and competing with our already unskilled and uneducated labor.

Illegal immigrants are not the problem any more then legal immigrants are you dumb fukk. You're just using the "illegal" aspect to support your racist beliefs.

And you learn Spanish to adapt to an environment. That's just smart hustling. And the only real fields that are dominated by Hispanics is auto mechanic and construction workers. You keep making it seem like its some sort of epidemic, when its not.

And Trade school teaches a trade that is always valuable. And how do Hispanics have a better reputation?

You just making asinine statements just throwing shyt out there now.

 

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[NoChillJones]

How are Black people becoming the oppressor? We do not have the institutions nor power to do so. I think thats quite clear.

......the institution your' using is America and you are in fact siding with the oppressor therefore becoming an oppressor yourself. That's not rocket science fur further proof of my statement, read this thread in full detail.

I am for all people. The belief that only black people can have a monopoly on pain and suffering. Only our pain matters and no one elses. That is an indication of being spoiled. The idea that Hispanics have never stood with us in our fight against prejudice is ignorance.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Illegal immigrants are not the problem any more then legal immigrants are you dumb fukk. You're just using the "illegal" aspect to support your racist beliefs..

Illegal immigrants are a hidden pressure on labor markets. Dumbass.

And you learn Spanish to adapt to an environment. That's just smart hustling. And the only real fields that are dominated by Hispanics is auto mechanic and construction workers. You keep making it seem like its some sort of epidemic, when its not.

Its an unfair and unnecessary labor barrier to black citizens.

And Trade school teaches a trade that is always valuable. And how do Hispanics have a better reputation?

Because theres been billions and decades invested in saying blacks aren't viable employees.

You just making asinine statements just throwing shyt out there now

I'm an adult with experience.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

nah, this won't work.

This aint the 1700s. You can't keep using that argument.

 

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nah, this won't work.

This aint the 1700s. You can't keep using that argument.

I just thought it was funny.

But let me be clear: I don't think it's incumbent upon black people to cape for DACA. Like I quoted you in another thread, it is true that the "solidarity" has historically (or perhaps disproportionately, if that's a more accurate word) flowed one way between black people and Latinos.

But I don't think expelling the kids of undocumented immigrants is any meaningful solution to the country's immigration problem.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Shut your bytch ass up breh.......you been in here bytching for the last 2 days.......

The fact you don't know who Claude Anderson is signifies how much of a hoe you are

 

[NoChillJones]

Illegal immigrants are a hidden pressure on labor markets. Dumbass.

Its an unfair and unnecessary labor barrier to black citizens.

Because theres been billions and decades invested in saying blacks aren't viable employees.

I'm an adult with experience.

Billions and decades invested in what? Be quiet idiot lol..

Its unfair for you to adapt to stay ahead of the curve by investing in learning the number 2 language in America?

Your a child who is pouting because Hispanics have more then we do as race and you're in your p*ssy ass feelings.

 

[NoChillJones]

The fact you don't know who Claude Anderson is signifies how much of a hoe you are

The fact I don't attest to these "Know it all" nikkas says alot more about my beliefs then nikkas like you who sit and the suck the dikk of any wanna be nikka who opens they mouth on black issues. fukk Claude, Nasheed, Boyd, Umar and the rest of these so called black spokesman. THEY AINT DOING shyt FOR US but making money off our black skin by giving lectures. And you lost ass nikkas gobble the shyt up cause you don't have the spine to stand up on your own.........