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BREAKING: Trump now officially moves to end DACA, wants congress to replace the policy March 2018
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NoChillJones
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So states are specifically out to deny blacks education and not the poor? How do they designate by race, cause that would indicate that blacks regardless of economical background is getting shytty education.........
Where YOU live are cities highly populated by Hispanics, so the odds of Latino domination is to be expected.......it seems more like your disturbed by the effects of the domination......aka brown domination........
FruitOfTheVale
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Large population of EX CONS are unemployed over a group of Latinos that are not ex cons'......what is an employer to do....
Bottom of the barrell put kids through college 50 years ago? At what 3.50 an hour.........shyt pay now was still shyt pay then.....stop it fam. Its not bougie, its called progression. Our race has progressed past those mammie, chafuer, maids, and other low wage positions is what I am telling you breh. And they are raising up because they are starting businesses left and right. Not because they are working double shifts ac McDonalds.....................
Private college tuition 50 years ago rarely crept above $8,000 a year and state schools were far cheaper. So yeah, factory labor could in fact put your child through college and keep in mind the majority of households were double income (not single parent) at that point in time.
Also your perspective on food service seems bougie tbr, you keep bringing up fast food which is a very small sliver of the industry. It stretches into hospitality, fine dining, etc. which are generally salaried positions w/ benefits.
NoChillJones
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Breh minimum wage was actually $1.63 in 63 breh........so no they couldn't ....but carry on
FruitOfTheVale
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The outlawing of Affirmative Action IS an anti-black education policy.
Latinos do not dominate Oakland or San Francisco but are dramatically more represented in the labor force in both cities than black folks are. The Bay is not LA but the state of CA has openly waged war on working class black people for going on 40 years now.
At this point even the undocumented are hurting themselves. This is a safety issue.
How the fukk can the government accommodate this? And y'all say they're not a drag on the tax base.
This is exactly what we're talking about.
When the round of musical chairs stops, who is left holding the bag?
Houston's Undocumented Residents Left Destitute And Fearful In Harvey's Wake
Adrian FloridoSeptember 7, 20179:40 AM ET
Victor Matuz and Iris Amador lost most of their possessions to the flooding. Because they lack legal status, they don't qualify for assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Adrian Florido/NPR
As the water rose on their first-floor apartment, Rosa Sosa and her family fled to a vacant unit on the second floor. They watched in horror as it continued to rise, as it swallowed most of the cars in the parking lot that rings their sprawling two-story complex, as it stuck around, stubbornly, even after the rain stopped.
The family waited nearly two days for the floodwaters to recede. When they finally returned home, they found all of their possessions destroyed and themselves back where they were three years ago when they first crossed into the U.S., illegally, fleeing the gangs of El Salvador. They had nothing then. They have nothing now.
"The beds were the most important thing," Sosa said. She, her husband and their 24-year-old daughter, Roxana, have been sleeping on the floor. A hammock hangs in the living room for Roxana's toddler. They would like to replace the beds, but can't.
"We haven't even bought food because we have to pay rent," Sosa said. "We've just been eating the little things that people have brought by."
The Sosa family's has become a typical story in the days since Hurricane Harvey wreaked havoc on Texas's Gulf Coast region. Houston is home to some 600,000 immigrants without legal status — 1 in 10 Houstonians does not possess the right to live in the U.S. — and in the storm's aftermath, many of them now find themselves teetering on the edge of destitution.
Unlike other victims of the storm, immigrants in the U.S. illegally do not qualify for assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The exception are those, like Roxana Sosa, who are allowed to submit an application in the name of a U.S.-born child. Even so, advocates say, many who qualify have not done so out of fear that asking for help might alert immigration authorities to their presence and ultimately lead to deportation.
"We're afraid," Sosa said, standing in the gutted living room that has been overcome by the odor of dampness and mold. "That's why we don't declare our losses. We haven't even gone to the management office here at the apartment complex."
Many immigrants in Texas were afraid even before the storm hit. They had been bracing for a tough immigration enforcement law that was to take effect Sept. 1; a federal judge temporarily blocked it last week.
Since the storm, local and federal officials have gone to great lengths to assure immigrants in need of disaster relief that seeking it will not have immigration consequences. Mayor Sylvester Turner promised the fearful that there would be no immigration enforcement at Red Cross shelters. Those applying for FEMA assistance in the name of a U.S.-born child are also protected.
The Department of Homeland Security similarly announced that the border agents it dispatched to assist with disaster relief were there to help, not to enforce immigration laws.
Much of the onus for helping immigrants without legal status is falling on private groups. Over the weekend, a group of volunteers from Austin delivered a trailer full of supplies to an immigrant neighborhood in Houston.
Adrian Florido/NPR
"We're here to make sure people can get to safe haven," said Judson W. Murdock II, the Customs and Border Protection official leading that agency's storm relief effort.
The agency said that as of Tuesday, its officers doing disaster relief had deported zero people, while rescuing nearly 1,400, along with more than two dozen pets, including a lizard.
Despite the assurances, the presence of customs and border agents in Houston has dampened some immigrants' willingness to seek help. Many rode the storm out at home. Since the water has receded, some, like the Sosas, have chosen to remain in soggy, flooded apartments rather than go to the Red Cross for food or shelter.
Carlos Ramos, an immigrant from Honduras, said that during the storm, he and several undocumented residents ventured out of their apartment complex in Southwest Houston to find food and help. But as they waded through the water, they spotted some immigration agents performing rescues.
Staff and volunteers from the advocacy group FIEL have been going door to door assessing the damage and the need for help in heavily affected immigrant neighborhoods.
Adrian Florido/NPR
"And we all said, 'What are they doing here?' and we all turned back," Ramos recalled. He said they had recognized the rescuers as immigration agents because of the letters emblazoned on their uniforms: CBP, for Customs and Border Protection.
It is, in fact, Immigration and Customs Enforcement — ICE — that serves as the government's main deportation force in the nation's interior. Nonetheless, many immigrants see them all as part of the same immigration enforcement apparatus.
"We'd heard they were here to help," Ramos said of his reaction upon spotting the agents performing rescues, "but there was that fear of not really knowing if they're going to take you away."
Advocates say the fear of immigration enforcement, poverty, lack of insurance, lack of trust in the government and other factors are conspiring to make Houston's undocumented population among the most vulnerable in the storm's aftermath. The situation has also exposed an urgent need for private groups to step in and help.
"It's really bad," said Alain Cisneros, an organizer with a local immigrant advocacy group called FIEL Houston. "A lot of families really have been left with nothing."
Cisneros and a group of other staff and volunteers have been going door to door in immigrant areas most affected by the flooding. They've been assessing damage, taking down names and phone numbers, and asking immigrant families with no other options to hold tight as they try to cobble together donations and other resources to help them get back on their feet.
"We're hoping to get donations for food, and maybe vouchers for beds and furniture, or for a first month's rent at a new apartment," Cisneros said. "But there are so many families, there's no way we could help everyone who needs it."
How the fukk can the government accommodate this? And y'all say they're not a drag on the tax base.
This is exactly what we're talking about.
When the round of musical chairs stops, who is left holding the bag?
Houston's Undocumented Residents Left Destitute And Fearful In Harvey's Wake
Adrian FloridoSeptember 7, 20179:40 AM ET
Victor Matuz and Iris Amador lost most of their possessions to the flooding. Because they lack legal status, they don't qualify for assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
Adrian Florido/NPR
As the water rose on their first-floor apartment, Rosa Sosa and her family fled to a vacant unit on the second floor. They watched in horror as it continued to rise, as it swallowed most of the cars in the parking lot that rings their sprawling two-story complex, as it stuck around, stubbornly, even after the rain stopped.
The family waited nearly two days for the floodwaters to recede. When they finally returned home, they found all of their possessions destroyed and themselves back where they were three years ago when they first crossed into the U.S., illegally, fleeing the gangs of El Salvador. They had nothing then. They have nothing now.
"The beds were the most important thing," Sosa said. She, her husband and their 24-year-old daughter, Roxana, have been sleeping on the floor. A hammock hangs in the living room for Roxana's toddler. They would like to replace the beds, but can't.
"We haven't even bought food because we have to pay rent," Sosa said. "We've just been eating the little things that people have brought by."
The Sosa family's has become a typical story in the days since Hurricane Harvey wreaked havoc on Texas's Gulf Coast region. Houston is home to some 600,000 immigrants without legal status — 1 in 10 Houstonians does not possess the right to live in the U.S. — and in the storm's aftermath, many of them now find themselves teetering on the edge of destitution.
Unlike other victims of the storm, immigrants in the U.S. illegally do not qualify for assistance from the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The exception are those, like Roxana Sosa, who are allowed to submit an application in the name of a U.S.-born child. Even so, advocates say, many who qualify have not done so out of fear that asking for help might alert immigration authorities to their presence and ultimately lead to deportation.
"We're afraid," Sosa said, standing in the gutted living room that has been overcome by the odor of dampness and mold. "That's why we don't declare our losses. We haven't even gone to the management office here at the apartment complex."
Many immigrants in Texas were afraid even before the storm hit. They had been bracing for a tough immigration enforcement law that was to take effect Sept. 1; a federal judge temporarily blocked it last week.
Since the storm, local and federal officials have gone to great lengths to assure immigrants in need of disaster relief that seeking it will not have immigration consequences. Mayor Sylvester Turner promised the fearful that there would be no immigration enforcement at Red Cross shelters. Those applying for FEMA assistance in the name of a U.S.-born child are also protected.
The Department of Homeland Security similarly announced that the border agents it dispatched to assist with disaster relief were there to help, not to enforce immigration laws.
Much of the onus for helping immigrants without legal status is falling on private groups. Over the weekend, a group of volunteers from Austin delivered a trailer full of supplies to an immigrant neighborhood in Houston.
Adrian Florido/NPR
"We're here to make sure people can get to safe haven," said Judson W. Murdock II, the Customs and Border Protection official leading that agency's storm relief effort.
The agency said that as of Tuesday, its officers doing disaster relief had deported zero people, while rescuing nearly 1,400, along with more than two dozen pets, including a lizard.
Despite the assurances, the presence of customs and border agents in Houston has dampened some immigrants' willingness to seek help. Many rode the storm out at home. Since the water has receded, some, like the Sosas, have chosen to remain in soggy, flooded apartments rather than go to the Red Cross for food or shelter.
Carlos Ramos, an immigrant from Honduras, said that during the storm, he and several undocumented residents ventured out of their apartment complex in Southwest Houston to find food and help. But as they waded through the water, they spotted some immigration agents performing rescues.
Staff and volunteers from the advocacy group FIEL have been going door to door assessing the damage and the need for help in heavily affected immigrant neighborhoods.
Adrian Florido/NPR
"And we all said, 'What are they doing here?' and we all turned back," Ramos recalled. He said they had recognized the rescuers as immigration agents because of the letters emblazoned on their uniforms: CBP, for Customs and Border Protection.
It is, in fact, Immigration and Customs Enforcement — ICE — that serves as the government's main deportation force in the nation's interior. Nonetheless, many immigrants see them all as part of the same immigration enforcement apparatus.
"We'd heard they were here to help," Ramos said of his reaction upon spotting the agents performing rescues, "but there was that fear of not really knowing if they're going to take you away."
Advocates say the fear of immigration enforcement, poverty, lack of insurance, lack of trust in the government and other factors are conspiring to make Houston's undocumented population among the most vulnerable in the storm's aftermath. The situation has also exposed an urgent need for private groups to step in and help.
"It's really bad," said Alain Cisneros, an organizer with a local immigrant advocacy group called FIEL Houston. "A lot of families really have been left with nothing."
Cisneros and a group of other staff and volunteers have been going door to door in immigrant areas most affected by the flooding. They've been assessing damage, taking down names and phone numbers, and asking immigrant families with no other options to hold tight as they try to cobble together donations and other resources to help them get back on their feet.
"We're hoping to get donations for food, and maybe vouchers for beds and furniture, or for a first month's rent at a new apartment," Cisneros said. "But there are so many families, there's no way we could help everyone who needs it."
FruitOfTheVale
Superstar
Factory workers was not making $1.63 so what are you even talking about
My granddad made $6 an hour working in a steel mill in Gary IN in the 60's and 70s.NoChillJones
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That's opinion and not fact and one could make the argument it was anti black in general and not necessarily aimed at education....but great grab at some straws there............
And those are called Unions. Black people apparently were late to the party and hence you have your current predicament......still don't understand why you are made though. Oakland is an up and coming city of CA, and opportunity is being made available daily. I would expect some of our more influential brothers and sisters to get on the ball and take advantage........if we don't then we can' blame the Latinos breh.
NoChillJones
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Factory workers was not making $1.63 so what are you even talking about
That was minimum wage, what are you talking about? And minimum wage if you were lucky. Then this was before the Civil Rights Act was passed as well. This was the 60's breh. Your making some broad statements that don't hold weight. You keep talking assumption. Which is fine, but lets stick to the facts only.
And food service is salaried........FOH, I've worked more then enough to know bullshyt when I hear it..........now HOSPITALITY maybe. ...but that is getting into the higher end hotels and not just mom and pops spots.
I mean you can keep talking my dude, but I've had about 200 jobs in my lifetime from picking maggot filled wash clothes to working cushiony ass office jobs. I know my shyt. And I've paid my dues as well. Its not bougie its real talk from my experience out in the world.
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FruitOfTheVale
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Minimum is not the same as the average wage, it's precisely why the black migration happened when it did in the 30s 40s and 50s. My granddad's generation went from sharecropping to working in factories up north and in the West for living wages. The federal minimum has no real bearing on what an industry was willing to pay.
NoChillJones
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Again SPECULATION sir......you could assume they were getting paid then the minimum or "average wage" but the average wage didn't always equate to more then the minimum wage as well, so you are right.
The point is you believe that black were making better money then, then we are now working as laborers, Which is total BULLshyt........
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NoChillJones
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Its an opinion, its not at our expense. We have not raised one picket sign, protested in one march. We've simply voiced an opinion. Not one shred of evidence of this being a nation wide epidemic has been posted. White people are using idiots like you to make it seem like immigration is hurting the black American public......cause it sure as shyt ain't hurting whites pockets. But here it he catch.....its not really hurting ours either.......but guess who is........that's right the same people who always have......the same people who now coincidentally don't matter in your eyes.
And in case you're wondering. No I did not read the article........fukk your article........its not about black anything. You hate Mexicans. Stop embarrassing yourself with this shyt.
FruitOfTheVale
Superstar
Relative to the cost of putting somebody through school back then yeah factory wages back then were more equitable. Wages have not kept pace with inflation either and least of all in the coastal US so no it's not total bullshyt, purchasing power back then was stronger. According to this $4.03/hr in 1971 was equivalent to $22.40/hr today.
This is a chart of average weekly earnings looking at the wage differential between whites blacks and Hispanics from the 60s to the 90s with inflation accounted for. The 70s was one of the best decades for black wage equity for obvious reasons (civil rights era). You notice that throughout the 70s the average was above 500 a week or about $8-10 an hour for a 40 hour work week (although obviously many were working far more than 40 hours a week).
Black folks (and particularly working class black folks) were on track for much bigger gains in equity UNTIL mass incarceration in the 80s and 90s completely fukked it up. It is a sweeping statement but definitely an accurate one on the West Coast where I'm from.
FruitOfTheVale
Superstar
Admittedly the Bay Area is a little different in this regard so I'll refrain from generalizing about other areas with large immigrant populations in that particular capacity.
And if you paid your dues then you should care more about how difficult it is becoming for a lot of disadvantaged black youth in TX and CA to pay theirs.
